From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summary (Re: A system for localizing documentation strings) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:22:47 +0200 Message-ID: <86hcnqmc9k.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <795F38F4-7253-47DC-97DD-53BED4F0AB97@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <46A9A6DA.9020908@swipnet.se> <46A9AA59.20403@gnu.org> <46A9B519.9010307@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185528188 17415 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2007 09:23:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jean-Christophe Helary , Jason Rumney To: Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 27 11:23:02 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IEM2H-0007Ff-NK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:23:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEM2H-0004x1-3f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:23:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IEM29-0004q7-Rk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:22:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IEM26-0004fq-Aq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEM25-0004ed-HC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:22:49 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IEM24-0004QU-Ti for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:22:49 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08944 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:22:45 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 30388 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 09:22:47 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jul 2007 09:22:47 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DF1B98FA2F; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:22:47 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <46A9B519.9010307@swipnet.se> ("Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv=22?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?'s?= message of "Fri\, 27 Jul 2007 11\:04\:25 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.51 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75642 Archived-At: Jan Dj=E4rv writes: > Jason Rumney skrev: >> Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >>> We don't need that. Translators are organized in teams, and >>> everything uses gettext. We do not want a different mechanism >>> here. Many translators translates programs they very rarely, if >>> ever, use. It would be a mistake to not use gettext. >>>=20=20=20 >>=20 >> I disagree. It is a mistake to use any system that requires code to >> be modified to fit with its conventions before translation can >> occur. We cannot guarantee that maintainers of external lisp >> packages will do the work that is required. Since we already have >> mechanisms in place that extract doc strings, tooltip text and menu >> text for display, we should add the necessary hooks at that point >> to provide translations transparently. > > We can not guarantee that maintainers of external lisp packages will > do anything, regardless of what mechanism Emacs use. But the point > is that Emacs is unlikely to be translated by the translation teams > that are already outh there if a completely new mechanism that > differs much from gettext is adopted. It must be stressed that translating Emacs is a Herculanean effort. There is no way it can be achieved by Emacs developers alone: we really have to rely on non-coding-involved translation teams here, and it will still be a real beast to do. --=20 David Kastrup