From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: the future of the computer world (was: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces) Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 10:03:03 +0200 Message-ID: <86h89jdkqw.fsf_-_@zoho.eu> References: <20190523172148538275561@bob.proulx.com> <86ef4oivmo.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190523175139068895086@bob.proulx.com> <86d0k8h0re.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190524070902.GA11740@tuxteam.de> <86pno8fd60.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190524122837.GB25596@tuxteam.de> <864l5jf8pm.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190525063147.GD31415@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="96525"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 10:03:29 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUReK-000Orn-Tl for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 10:03:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37711 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUReJ-00010s-VI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 04:03:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60677) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hURe6-0000zh-C6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 04:03:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hURe4-0007n8-PT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 04:03:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=37544 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hURe4-0007mD-Ig for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 04:03:12 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hURe1-000OUF-Uc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 10:03:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:00rs610+W/oCqyOJrPnXO5pjGZE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120632 Archived-At: tomas wrote: >> ?#2: What do you mean "all the anti-patterns >> of the pre-Internet age emerge all over >> again." It sounds interesting anyway so do >> tell... > > You had a fragmented landscape of "online > services" (AOL, CompuServe etc.) and you > could only "see" the inhabitants of your > fragment of the world [...] Oh, no! That can't happen! I remember years ago writing many times about the future all interface-independent use of computer services. Everyone could use everything, with their own client(s) - just like I/we do with Gnus for mail and Gmane, ERC for IRC, Dired for the filesystem, Emacs-w3m for the web, Emacs for... uhm, editing files, and so on - because we like it, we prefer it that way - in much the same way, I thought in the future, and not a so distant future, everyone could do the same - i.e., access any type of service with their own tools - and if there weren't tools to their liking, they had suddenly something interesting to do, much like we do with Emacs (some configure, some extend, some do [M]ELPA, some do the real deal, some do a little of everything). You're saying this is not only incorrect, but the _opposite_ is happening? >> ?#1: Do people still use IM? I remember ICQ >> (I Seek You; Israel 1996 [1]). Those were >> good days - at least if you only remember >> the good stuff! > > They do use very diverse, monstrous mutations > of IM, all incompatible with each other: > whatsapp, instagram, telegram, heck, twitter > is also a take in the IM theme. > > Most of them go through a centralised, > corporate-controlled, risk-capital fueled > service. Do I need to say more? I already know that I don't like it. But absolutely do say more if you can/would like to... >> No doubt they are good guys. Paying for >> a service isn't something I would never do >> for principal reasons, it is more like it >> seems like trouble doing it practically. >> I mean, how do you do it? Literally? > > Bank transfer? Heck -- posteo does care that > much about your privacy that you even can pay > in cash (for 12 months in advance). OK, next time I get into problems with mail I'll sed 12EUR to DE ... only I can still use Gnus, right? :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal