bug#57160: 28.1.91; Info Virtual Index fails on search "two column"

bug#57160: 28.1.91; Info Virtual Index fails on search "two column"

[Van Ly]

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Inside Emacs at  the infopage for Emacs, the search  term "two column"
finds   no   result,  the   search   term   "column"  finds   in   the
"Info Virtual Index" the result:

  . 2C-two-columns [Command Index]: Two-Column.

Steps to reproduce

  . start "emacs -Q"
  . open Emacs's infopage by "F1 i" and navigating to entry for Emacs
  . search index using "I" and type "two column"
  . echo area says "No 'two column' in index"

Expected result finds

  . 2C-two-columns [Command Index]: Two-Column.

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In GNU Emacs 28.1.91 (build 1, aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.24, cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2022-08-08 built on charlie
Repository revision: 059ab47a0664012b4d8cf8cc36b7d8a28b80c614
Repository branch: main
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12011000
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bug#57160: 28.1.91; Info Virtual Index fails on search "two column"

[Juri Linkov]

> Inside Emacs at  the infopage for Emacs, the search  term "two column"
> finds   no   result,  the   search   term   "column"  finds   in   the
> "Info Virtual Index" the result:
>
>  . 2C-two-columns [Command Index]: Two-Column.
>
> Steps to reproduce
>
>  . start "emacs -Q"
>  . open Emacs's infopage by "F1 i" and navigating to entry for Emacs
>  . search index using "I" and type "two column"
>  . echo area says "No 'two column' in index"
>
> Expected result finds
>
>  . 2C-two-columns [Command Index]: Two-Column.

Everything works fine when you type "I two-column".

bug#57160: 28.1.91; Info Virtual Index fails on search "two column"

[Van Ly]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022, Juri Linkov wrote:

>>
>> Expected result finds
>>
>>  . 2C-two-columns [Command Index]: Two-Column.
>
> Everything works fine when you type "I two-column".
>

Everyday search engines would accept "two column" and add in the hyphen.

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bug#57160: 28.1.91; Info Virtual Index fails on search "two column"

[Drew Adams]

> Everyday search engines would accept "two column" and add in the hyphen.

(Not chiming in on whether something should be done in Info.)

Just pointing out that the "everyday search engines" you're thinking of (e.g. PDF searching, web search engines...) typically perform what's called "full-text search" or "indexed search".

They _index_ a set of documents, breaking down words into roots, endings, etc.  So they can match singular/plural and other forms of words that have the same root, and perform other kinds of search (boolean predicates, nearness tests, etc.).

They don't do the kind of searching that Emacs does, in general.  Emacs searching is typically plain-text, and it allows for the use of regexps, for example.

These are two very different search worlds.  Try searching for "two-column" with Google search and not getting hits also for "two column".  Each kind of search has its advantages.  Emacs searching is good for most uses of Emacs.

bug#57160: 28.1.91; Info Virtual Index fails on search "two column"

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Cc: 57160@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 18:01:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Van Ly <van.ly@sdf.org>
> 
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022, Juri Linkov wrote:
> 
> >> Expected result finds
> >>
> >>  . 2C-two-columns [Command Index]: Two-Column.
> >
> > Everything works fine when you type "I two-column".
> 
> Everyday search engines would accept "two column" and add in the hyphen.

The usual method with Info is to type "two" and then TAB.

bug#57160: 28.1.91; Info Virtual Index fails on search "two column"

[Van Ly]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> Everyday search engines would accept "two column" and add in the hyphen.
>
> The usual method with Info is to type "two" and then TAB.
>

That's  very  impressive.   Findable  documentation on  using  TAB  in
various context all in one  place adds value overall.  Somewhere after
C-h a TAB  will list all the  key completions.  Since I  modify C-h to
backspace

   (keyboard-translate ?\C-h ?\C-?)

I think TAB isn't availabe after  the F1 equivalent to C-h.  The input
method for chinese-ctlaub uses TAB in the same way.

Possibly unrelated to Emacs, I see the following on invoking 'emacs -Q'

```

% /usr/X/Projects/emacs-28.1.91/src/emacs -Q

(emacs:64490): dbind-WARNING **: 05:03:23.806: AT-SPI: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files

```

bug#57160: 28.1.91; Info Virtual Index fails on search "two column"

[Van Ly]

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2022, Drew Adams wrote:

> These  are two  very  different search  worlds.   Try searching  for
> "two-column" with Google  search and not getting hits  also for "two
> column".  Each kind  of search has its  advantages.  Emacs searching
> is good for most uses of Emacs.

There's a book "introduction to information retrieval" by Manning,
Raghavan, Schütze published by CUP for intuition and guidance.

I often use a search engine to locate the infopage on the web and
navigate there by the infopage node structure to read it.