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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, pipcet@protonmail.com, 75322@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#75322: SAFE_ALLOCA assumed to root Lisp_Objects/SSDATA(string)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 17:12:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86h66c562y.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wmf8t2vq.fsf@dancol.org> (message from Daniel Colascione on Mon, 06 Jan 2025 09:48:09 -0500)

> From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
> Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com,  pipcet@protonmail.com,  75322@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 09:48:09 -0500
> 
> I wouldn't call it a "rewrite".  If auditing the codebase for memory
> safety is a "rewrite", I'm a "duck".  We're talking about a few hundred
> lines of changes at the most.  Most of the work is just auditing the
> code for problems.  We should be grateful Gerd has done this work
> already, not "run away from MPS, fast".

I _am_ grateful to Gerd (and Helmut, and Pip, and others who work on
this).  I also invested a significant, albeit smaller, effort on my
part into this branch.  However, the potential amount of changes still
bothers me.  I understand it doesn't bother you, so I guess we
disagree in our estimations.

> > 	    SAFE_NALLOCA (args2, 1, nargs + 1);
> > 	    args2[0] = Qcall_process;
> > 	    for (i = 0; i < nargs; i++) args2[i + 1] = args[i];
> > 	    coding_systems = Ffind_operation_coding_system (nargs + 1, args2);
> > 	    val = CONSP (coding_systems) ? XCDR (coding_systems) : Qnil;
> >
> > "Look, ma: no pointers!"
> 
>       Lisp_Object val, *args2;
> 
> In the C programming language, "*" means "pointer".

Are we going to argue about pointers and arrays?

> > So this code needs to be changed.
> 
> The snippet you quoted above can be fixed with a one-liner --- replace
> SAFE_NALLOCA with SAFE_ALLOCA_LISP.

It's just one example, and there are many like it.  So that one-liner
is multiplied many times.

And then we have variations, where args[] gets text of strings or some
other similar stuff.  Etc. etc.

> > And if you look around, we have quite a lot of these in many places.
> 
> Sounds like Gerd's spent some time hunting them down.

Sure, but I'm afraid there are many more.

> > We have almost 200 static
> > Lisp_Object variables, probably not all of them staticpro'd (8 of them
> > inside functions, like the above example, so definitely not
> > staticpro'd).  So now we need to examine the uses of all of them and
> > either staticpro them or do something else (like move the assignment
> > to 'last_coding' to after call_some_function).
> 
> Changing eight variables from function statics to file statics hardly
> seems like a monumental effort.

After you found them, and after you know they should be changed, yes.
It's easy to account for the knowns; the problem is always the
unknowns.  That's why most effort estimations are inaccurate.  I
wonder what are our unknowns here, and how many of them are there.

> The static-storage global-scope
> Lisp_Object variables are probably almost all gcproed already.

Maybe.  But someone needs to verify that, right?





  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-06 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-03 17:20 bug#75322: SAFE_ALLOCA assumed to root Lisp_Objects/SSDATA(string) Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-03 19:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 20:34   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 20:48     ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04  4:40       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  7:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04  8:47           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  9:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 10:20               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 13:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 14:11                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 17:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 18:17                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 19:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 20:04                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 20:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06  3:57                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-06  8:25                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-06 14:07                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 21:15                           ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 12:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 14:48                               ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 15:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2025-01-06 15:27                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-05 21:01                     ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-05 23:28                       ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 13:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:08                           ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06  4:23                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 11:41               ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 11:29         ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 12:17           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  7:00     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04  7:17       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  8:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04  8:58           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 11:08       ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 13:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 14:13           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 15:26           ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 15:34             ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 18:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 18:35                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 19:10                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 19:24                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 18:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 19:32               ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 20:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 21:15                   ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05  8:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  9:04                       ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05  9:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  9:47                           ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 11:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:54                               ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-06 19:16                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-08  3:46                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05  6:32 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05  6:59   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 10:30       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:35         ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 10:45           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 11:37           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 12:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 13:21               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 17:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 17:49                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 18:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 19:02                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05  7:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  8:19     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 10:40         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:21           ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 11:27             ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:49             ` Paul Eggert
2025-01-06  6:26           ` Gerd Möllmann

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