From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:32:37 +0200 Message-ID: <86fxqc1w9m.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080713225327.GC1076@muc.de> <20080714122400.GB3445@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216038787 2686 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2008 12:33:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, drobinow@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Alfred M. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100680 Archived-At: joakim@verona.se writes: > Alan Mackenzie writes: > >> >> The point is that installing MS-Windows _works_. Most of the time, >> pretty painlessly. I've done it for a friend a few times. There was >> no need for me to crawl through HOWTOs or search out kernel >> documentation to make it work. > > As a data-point, I've quite often failed to install MS-Windows, and > then flawlessly installed a Fedora GNU/Linux on the same machine. No > magic-incantations, even. As another data point: I had several laptops die on me (botched BIOS update, cup of tea). Both were dual-boot systems with Windows (98 or 2000, I forgot which). I think the first had been a RedHat system, the second had been Ubuntu. I transferred the disk to a new system. The Linux partition (generic kernel) noted the change of hardware and came up pretty much without a hitch. The Windows partition... well the first already barfed upon the disk geometry (different BIOS, different geometry spoofing). Either had a wagonload of trouble with drivers and hardware before I could get it to work again. Took weeks each time around to make most of it work (even though Internet access was not a topic due to lack of virus updates). Now nowadays things have become easier with Windows XP. More drivers are built in, and it won't help you, because XP refuses to come up on a previously unregistered system. Last laptop I bought I went into the shop and tried my disk, and the shop assistant said that it would not work. It worked, and the reason was that it was not Windows. So if you cherish your work environment and your data, don't tie yourself down to Windows. You can't move on in a sane way. Even disregarding all other aspects of non-freedom, it will stop working together with the hardware. And that's a chance one should not be taking. -- David Kastrup