From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Modify text appearance (put spaces after commas just for display) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:30:13 +0200 Message-ID: <86fub725ju.fsf@zoho.com> References: <87tvzpx1qo.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> <861smt3j24.fsf@zoho.com> <20170926093255.GD1556@tuxteam.de> <86wp4l22du.fsf@zoho.com> <20170926103024.GA5189@tuxteam.de> <86shf9174r.fsf@zoho.com> <20170927120026.GB24821@tuxteam.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506547870 29064 195.159.176.226 (27 Sep 2017 21:31:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:31:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 27 23:31:06 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxJv4-00072B-Pm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:31:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56406 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxJvC-00056D-3x for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:31:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43186) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxJui-00055x-9d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:30:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxJuf-00078Z-5v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:30:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=56218 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxJue-00077B-VZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:30:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxJuP-0004Tj-U4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:30:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 46 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:moyv1TPI2OL/A7XWejqTQiNueW8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114444 Archived-At: tomás wrote: > what we perceive as "literal display" is > already the result of a more or less complex > mapping; its undeniable advantage is, of > course, that it is very conventional and thus > large swaths of that mapping are already > well-understood and relatively stable. > But it's no better or worse (and no "truer" > or "falser") than any other display. OK, I suppose both are as true. Even a MacOS GUI is true in that sense. Only the code text feels more authentic, more genuine because less hands, and hands that were less manipulative/commercial, have tinkered with it (now the comparison being to the MacOS GUI, nothing else). Note that this is my first stop (at least in this thread) in the philosophy/perception/estethical domain, until now I only thought of this as a practical concern. But yes, being a practical person for so long trains the eyes, so when I say a new-built wood shed "looks good", I actually mean it both ways, it does literally look good, but it also looks like it is functional, it is easy to get the wood in and out, the wind will blow thru, it won't rain on the firewood, the rain water will be steered away from the yard and the person getting wood, and the whole shed won't blow to pieces first thing. Or conversely, anyone who has awaken in a messy room and the first steps of the day is to navigate between empty cans, ash, and empty pizza boxes, knows what a lousy feeling that is and remembers that the rest of the day had all the likelihoods of being just as lousy. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573