From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: andres.ramirez Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 18:11:33 +0000 Message-ID: <86ftbkylnu.fsf@gmail.com> References: <871rnnvmdx.fsf@red-bean.com> <87pnb7sira.fsf@red-bean.com> <87lflcg0k9.fsf@red-bean.com> <0f1cd319-fa8c-4453-b909-fdd36f337906@default> <87zh9scdf8.fsf@warpmail.net> <24271.60155.724466.802235@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="81140"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, andreas.roehler@online.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kfogel@red-bean.com, excalamus@tutanota.com, philip@warpmail.net, drew.adams@oracle.com To: "T.V Raman" Cancel-Lock: sha1:2CBWMvb6jGrmv0N6aPfZXGSNhFE= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 28 20:12:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jeN11-000KxP-OP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 20:12:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45940 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeN10-0006Ex-Em for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 14:12:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeN0I-0005m2-35 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 14:11:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qv1-f68.google.com ([209.85.219.68]:37866) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeN0H-00043f-CF; Thu, 28 May 2020 14:11:41 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qv1-f68.google.com with SMTP id y9so3705578qvs.4; Thu, 28 May 2020 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :cancel-lock:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=H4nVE7slJsOz81qeojHOgeYK7jSFVGBHJPmDEb89saI=; b=b6jxpqTuL+0bSg45jOsxdJIAybHrRS7rQ400XApd3ipFuBHJxLZIgmMbAC57YIjzhu XRGkWBZoRRhoDDlxOAjqSgvi1CDY97ktIud10W2byLfBvneR0wt12Dah78kvVvZigKVe AEF8SJe6TeSLtsy7vUGwGblF2USXC77/i0NARiBJIIn0Tej/wk0M0WmY9FOxMDa75GnC 8rDg0H7SLM0mtoFcRJfzd511JtAnCVFXFU/iwqnpMYPW1t/i1/ioPzaMyHD36B6WGPmI oAeB5rG56fz/O1ZBcY6LLE+0tb3c0ZtKipjDobAHu2/+djdYUSvRodTrShRC0O1z+3Un LlMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533uGNuU+vC4z6IwDZWdjPWRXPhM166Jn11oeFfyi1Vjbq61QPb2 QlVQSGun3W+5o+Kqzyey5Z0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzWC7Cx0BFJTo5RxZWWhDoaR3AGCeIjXCPfiny/yuJaWlsk9GzL/p+sbJ2XltsyKG5LvLx69w== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1392:: with SMTP id g18mr4157609qvz.210.1590689499704; Thu, 28 May 2020 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from sacsa.n800.arm.processor.yandex.fm ([190.236.255.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b4sm4539784qka.133.2020.05.28.11.11.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 28 May 2020 11:11:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24271.60155.724466.802235@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.219.68; envelope-from=rrandresf@gmail.com; helo=mail-qv1-f68.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/28 14:11:39 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251570 Archived-At: Hi. >>>>> "T" == T V Raman writes: T> emacs kbd commands -- and other well-designed ergonomic T> systems, eg vi's h,j,k,l for navigation are better thought of T> as muscle memory. The mnemonics are useful to learn, yes, but T> given the weird layout of the qwerty keyboard, rigidly sticking T> to mnemonics often leads to non-ergonomic keybindings. Take in account also different keyboard layouts 'dvorak' as an example of severals. On dvorak C-t is easier than C-x. But perhaps a tip for someone going to a different layout would be try modal editing with 'god-mode' or other similar tools. And Also. Do not forget the emacs pinky problem. That' sometimes leads You to rebind some most used keybindings. [...] Best Regards