From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2024 09:35:42 +0200 Message-ID: <86fryc1vsh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874jetaxri.fsf@jeremybryant.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28803"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: justin@burkett.cc, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jeremy Bryant Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 01 08:36:48 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rVRct-0007JO-OF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 08:36:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVRbw-0000iV-EJ; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 02:35:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVRbu-0000g3-8E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 02:35:46 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVRbs-0002dK-Fl; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 02:35:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=atmbKrFNmRAR0qCJSef+THOELf3bOjKfwUvP+IDSfyM=; b=BintdD2YnXOJ /nxRdcGYT6H71rrgjxaIMiBcttBKhWnFkV4LCgzqNP1r5anob3yuHAeihGI+ykbinVh4tLWDJN5jJ wbosJUdoCgEbnf5wkgqi+eTUSR3zu3K+Kq6/tLdmxyjUz40Om4MFkHEdI/lVjjmYS2brWHh6RyRxo zjvmJP8ofm3IHBsZeKVnl1r4hdgOLEtlOjQi9su4VjJl5noYeRAkbcKvNa8KedvP7gMTjmM1XBb4Z Va0YkyQI0iJoRc4eobZ1KvpuB4+PEvc2Y1s6wKxI+gVuxvMSb7FdwleQeWCFTuA+UqyVb7zqicNTs XcpiPG6lIe1lyNQhR1Appw==; In-Reply-To: <874jetaxri.fsf@jeremybryant.net> (message from Jeremy Bryant on Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:23:29 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315695 Archived-At: > From: Jeremy Bryant > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:23:29 +0000 > > A recent theme of discussion has been improving discoverability of Emacs > features, and in a related way, 'better defaults'. > > Here is a suggestion - include which-key in core and potentially enable > by for new users. How do we detect "new users"? If we include which-key, but do not enable it by default, would that be good enough? Another idea is to add a feature whereby, after some delay after the user types an incomplete key sequence, the buffer usually popped by C-h or '?' pops up automatically. This would be a smaller change in the UX, which might therefore be more easily acceptable even by not-so-new users.