From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: with-editor seems like a bug fix Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:58:00 +0300 Message-ID: <86frsz6i6v.fsf@gnu.org> References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37441"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 27 07:59:21 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sMiAD-0009Vy-Bv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 07:59:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMi98-0007sq-Lx; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 01:58:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMi96-0007se-TO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 01:58:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMi96-0007Dq-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 01:58:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=nicVQC9FcGTDRj7Z/xqEbxzpBOU9cGkLNWwwJVNl7pI=; b=GmXAHUMUUWr2 Hjh3q4+V+TOd0u1Vbrfje3jRIB5zvH53aXvSOUH6Q5q4JaMdW+Ar5gMH2Q7Fb82dZI7zUzm22Mj1w N58KeTq73voQGJ65u2d8BvYld8o1VfbswXsLH8IvlA4ra5egkXyu02ak94o5CFtizfEgmTLGub6hS 4p0aUewbnyNg8qpmD9hknT90wC+QDzy72HJSY3C5FaliPn4llFe+P36+Fj68klc0hGJnANIUMw4md NBbR1nOE7FCkiMaPwga3P4/W3KZkVSLwiLBRSbXqHTIyhJZBz98H+tfWHHi5wR4qLAwDN+Twex2GH 04bYmBbBGVI82XAv65EXmA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 26 Jun 2024 23:07:14 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320744 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 23:07:14 -0400 > > What with-editor does seems like a bug fix to me, not like a feature. > It really ought to be standardly enabled in Emacs whenever the Emacs > client is. If someone can explain what is/are the bug(s) and show a recipe for reproducing it/them, we will fix it, yes. We had a long discussion of this back in Sep 2023, and the conclusion was that some of what with-editor does could justify one or two utility functions in Emacs, and the other parts are due to semi-broken Emacs installations (which I'm not sure we want to support, but maybe if someone describes the details, we'll decide to support some of them). > Is there any chance we can convince the author to sign papers, > or perhaps have someone else write different code to do this job? That's not the issue here. The issue is to understand what are the problems with-editor tries to solve, and then decide which ones of them we want to solve in Emacs and how. This was the conclusion from that Sep 2023 discussion, at least from my POV.