From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#75398: 30.0.93; files.el documentation refers to "ITS-id" version control Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 20:31:17 +0200 Message-ID: <86frlv6bgq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86jzb857v5.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38162"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, rms@gnu.org, 75398@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 06 19:32:36 2025 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tUrtz-0009nu-Ms for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 19:32:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tUrtX-0004tv-7v; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 13:32:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tUrtT-0004tY-En for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 13:32:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tUrtT-0002jQ-5f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 13:32:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=debbugs.gnu.org; s=debbugs-gnu-org; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:To:Subject; bh=b7Rdax46y/OredAZUojYGsLnDQSOmF5h9J+2HCPanXw=; b=kBvH1wsKUmPQ143IQwC+NTPjkdGr01FFcOA9j1Nh5a2ILUe9hImWERhIJPP4WINAaaOv30lqhOUbz4Uvl6oNgYI10D4fBQ5xC08nN9uovCR+ROkxJEED1hqtEJNXGh3yxPoZtL5Al7Jpb6M22yWdSCqMOWT2kxW0sbAs67I3CpY8C6vXwek3SPENdi9hxSWACsE9z4wPnjwl2CSb9WQgcIcRoz1lDIWP0F6KPW+w/91/3qz05xdHsJJFaGrK2hNl3ALWUhq7kZ4b5PI0QALUHr5/ET3bEGjG9QX7jjO0H7vLP4sK+PSQyDTdyoafh1L284SU4X0debfcVBZrxiRGtA==; Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tUrtT-0003N4-0o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 13:32:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 18:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 75398 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 75398-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B75398.173618830012911 (code B ref 75398); Mon, 06 Jan 2025 18:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 75398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2025 18:31:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40043 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tUrt6-0003MB-AN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 13:31:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tUrt4-0003Lg-3j for 75398@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 13:31:39 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tUrsx-0002hL-9y; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 13:31:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=b7Rdax46y/OredAZUojYGsLnDQSOmF5h9J+2HCPanXw=; b=Vm8Nli8PKgrD 7xPNs3SrRq4kjpHmQAiJ9Sgw17X0i5btESlKzTyoopMsf5rZo/noxJ4HwmhicM1kXPKCUhJySPGGA 9JCJWLlTSbStNHVUmeZE6msespoCgffyF+b/dyIx/R+pq0FqOuuYFief1YkPKBGGFUS0u5BOmk10S eDXTHRpYG/aH9QTY8ndbeourtFTpn69mFvOFHJxRH9OK3EtzDf223yarjYljyOBWQ//C+c8l2bLRQ oAuppi7MewNvGt9/13ZB7fsN7YU1GMOoKfcfFsjX6hgmc6bAyqdHpq0LqcHxEWBwCmY1YQbiEFQiF Ru40bL4mVjcA5+3K0xO4kA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Mon, 6 Jan 2025 11:15:26 -0600) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:298684 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 11:15:26 -0600 > Cc: 75398@debbugs.gnu.org, "Eric S. Raymond" > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Stefan Kangas > >> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 09:46:02 +0000 > >> > >> Severity: wishlist > >> > >> In files.el, I read this: > >> > >> ;;; Commentary: > >> > >> ;; Defines most of Emacs's file- and directory-handling functions, > >> ;; including basic file visiting, backup generation, link handling, > >> ;; ITS-id version control, load- and write-hook handling, and the like. > >> > >> I understand that "version control" refers to backup files rather than > >> VCS, but what is "ITS-id"? I can't find any references to that in the > >> manual, or by grepping, but since the text was written in 1993, is it > >> possible that it refers to "Incompatible Time-Sharing System"...? > > > > Yes, I think ITS was the system which introduced numbered backup > > files. Maybe someone else (Richard?) could confirm. > > > > This commentary was added by Eric Raymond in March 1993. > > The question is how do we update this comment to be relevant in 2025. I'd replace "ITS-id version control" with "version control for numbered backup files".