From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A wish, a plea Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:43:52 +0200 Message-ID: <86ejk4i2gn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fy4kjy0k.fsf@red-bean.com> <467AF6CC.2000300@gnu.org> <86ejk4jtno.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <877ipwqtg9.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182516242 29292 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2007 12:44:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Fogel , wilde@sha-bang.de, hacksaw@hacksaw.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 14:44:00 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I1iUZ-0004td-4A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:43:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1iUY-0002i6-LF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:43:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1iUV-0002hr-Ic for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:43:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1iUU-0002hf-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:43:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1iUT-0002hc-W2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:43:54 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I1iUT-0003Lb-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:43:53 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18625 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:43:47 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 6286 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2007 12:43:52 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Jun 2007 12:43:52 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 55AF1F9DD1; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:43:52 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri\, 22 Jun 2007 15\:37\:17 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.51 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73614 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Karl Fogel >> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:33:42 -0700 >> Cc: Sascha Wilde , Hacksaw , >> emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jason Rumney >> >> David Kastrup writes: >> > As for the default buffer to use: how about using a buffer *unnamed* >> > that will be in text-mode, that will ask for being saved when one >> > kills Emacs, and that will ask for a filename when being saved (the >> > file name becoming then the base for the buffer name)? >> > >> > Retain *scratch* including the initial message. >> >> This all sounds great to me! > > It sounds awful to me. It reminds me Notepad and Word with their > pesky UNNAMED and DOCUMENT1 defaults. Being reminded of Notepad and Word is not in itself good or bad. Could you explain where the peskiness lies? > Did anyone in this longish thread suggest to simply turn on > auto-save in *scratch*, like we do in *mail* buffers? If not, would > that solve the OP's problem without any significant nasty side > effects? Uh, it has the nasty side effect of starting to write to my disk without asking my confirmation. If I have started several Emacs instances, I don't want them complaining about file locks and similar nonsense just because I use the *scratch* buffer in both. I don't really think that *scratch* should usually be associated with any file. -- David Kastrup