From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alain Schneble Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 12:43:21 +0200 Message-ID: <86eg3rqfxy.fsf@realize.ch> References: <20160916203414.25203.87032@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <874m582ixv.fsf@russet.org.uk> <871t0apsxm.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87shsm7hi6.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83a8eucwi2.fsf@gnu.org> <878tudgwlq.fsf@russet.org.uk> <8360pgoyo4.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1jn3ws9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83a8eqoi08.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1jlacsh.fsf@russet.org.uk> <867f9t4n4t.fsf@realize.ch> <874m4x8sq5.fsf@russet.org.uk> <8637kh4j1u.fsf@realize.ch> <87wpht4b1i.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86y4292m2u.fsf@realize.ch> <8737kd8vfh.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86bmyz2tt1.fsf@realize.ch> <87int4w341.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1475923487 25901 195.159.176.226 (8 Oct 2016 10:44:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 10:44:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (windows-nt) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Phillip Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 08 12:44:43 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bsp7J-00050M-2M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2016 12:44:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40385 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsp7H-0000aV-EQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2016 06:44:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsp6i-0000aN-3q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2016 06:43:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsp6g-0006Hr-1y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2016 06:43:55 -0400 Original-Received: from clientmail.realize.ch ([46.140.89.53]:3115) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsp6a-0006E5-Jn; Sat, 08 Oct 2016 06:43:48 -0400 Original-Received: from rintintin.hq.realize.ch.lan.rit (Unknown [192.168.0.105]) by clientmail.realize.ch with ESMTP ; Sat, 8 Oct 2016 12:43:40 +0200 Original-Received: from myngb (192.168.66.64) by rintintin.hq.realize.ch.lan.rit (192.168.0.105) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.516.32; Sat, 8 Oct 2016 12:43:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87int4w341.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Fri, 07 Oct 2016 17:11:42 +0100") X-ClientProxiedBy: rintintin.hq.realize.ch.lan.rit (192.168.0.105) To rintintin.hq.realize.ch.lan.rit (192.168.0.105) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] X-Received-From: 46.140.89.53 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208083 Archived-At: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: > I was never talking about the user manually using package.el to install > additional packages. Thanks for clarifying. I think I got that already earlier in this discussion. > I was talking about using package.el as part of the build process to > compile package, and then using package.el as part of startup to > initialize packages in core. Where the code used to drive the build process comes from is a separate question and isn't really relevant for the concerns I have. But the final results (incl. directory layout) matters, IMHO. And with the way you propose to use package.el it matters because it brings in a new directory layout just for the ELPA core packages. >> If we stick to the Emacs directory/file layout, it is a unified layout >> that gets presented to her. Where distictions between core libraries >> and ELPA core packages aren't visible at that level. That would be >> worth trying to achieve, I think. (And in fact is how the >> directory/files organization looks like in the current release, IIUC.) > > AFAICT the layout of files inside the Emacs directory is, or should be, > more or less irrelevant to the end user of Emacs. We do not need to > maintain the current directory structure, to maintain the user > experience. I don't think it's irrelevant. But that's me. Having a unified directory layout certainly is a good thing, I think. And as long as not all Emacs built-in libraries are ELPA core packages, I'm more towards keeping the current structure than bringing in a new one side-by-side. (And AFAIU, making all libraries ELPA core packages isn't even a long-term goal...) Alain