From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-30 baaf97ce1a1: ; Fix some ungrammatical uses of "allows to" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:00:16 +0300 Message-ID: <86ed65eszj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86h6b1ewop.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1651"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spwhitton@spwhitton.name, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 30 21:01:42 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sk6sP-0000Hu-Rv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 21:01:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk6rT-000193-BL; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 15:00:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk6rG-000188-QD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 15:00:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk6rF-0003Po-JV; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 15:00:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ccqdP0m43qTYwn2jOX1WXp3WV+M8EO99JxPx3nuaT/0=; b=VutmNywQ6IaN WCPpGCR+zksftchtnDcSXUZBSda5kKjd0AiuchH2SVcruTTI6Homjvogo0P9ErrpdMulzVkofu7eL P9qXiSp1gyAd/dDDVWkpOc1gSbBoLzwdZSthuL2ueo03H7GHNdf9rpMQKnlRRnpWDSifYl73HrJTy c58t7FikMEhbOpsxPw5M6Fha95mda4NeZOMBGzQo7opEw6IrRloPiEq+NDGceErMtIi1iPOtmGu9I oaE5XGUGfboIdHf771fRv7D0A7aeJDTfWU6TAXnTVbVPpL6UWwJDTLvM34Tvns0qbRFvP8EK7u2pR Tf4AJSvW0Zqt85l4L/wswg==; In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 30 Aug 2024 18:14:59 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323212 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 18:14:59 +0000 > Cc: Sean Whitton , emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > It is wrong to fix problems in Gnulib files in our repository, because > > those fixes will be overridden when the files are next time imported > > from Gnulib. Problems in Gnulib should be reported to the Gnulib list > > instead. > > > More generally, "allows to" is AFAIK not necessarily a grammatical > > mistake, it's a stylistic preference. So this kind of changes should > > not have been made automatically and without discussion. > > No, Eli, as a native English speaker, I can definitively say "allows to" > is wrong. It's a fairly subtle point, but instantly marks its writer as > a non-native speaker. Being a native English speaker doesn't mean that you are always right about use of English. Please look on the Internet and you will see that the above is not always correct. > "Allow" takes a direct object (which may be a gerund), not an > infinitive. Further complicating the structure, that direct object may > be the person or agent who is being permitted or enabled, not > necessarily the action that is so enabled. > > For example: > Wrong: This allows to add text properties to the text. > > Correct: (i) This allows the addition of text properties to the text. > (ii) This allows adding text properties to the text. > (iii) This allows text properties to be added to the text. > (iv) This allows the programmer to add text properties to the text. This page disagrees: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/85069/is-the-construction-it-allows-to-proper-english