From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: myglc2 Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:42:36 -0500 Message-ID: <86d14kpxir.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86h8txpy47.fsf@gmail.com> <837euslwhc.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1510681396 27337 195.159.176.226 (14 Nov 2017 17:43:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:43:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.18; emacs 25.3.1 Cc: 29290@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 14 18:43:12 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEfEs-0006jA-7t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:43:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32877 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEfEz-0008AS-JL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:43:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34175) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEfEo-00088h-NL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:43:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEfEk-0000TS-Os for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:43:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEfEk-0000TE-L7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:43:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEfEk-0006om-Cq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:43:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: myglc2 Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29290 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 29290-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29290.151068136626185 (code B ref 29290); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29290) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2017 17:42:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40488 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEfEU-0006oH-52 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:42:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qt0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]:49453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEfES-0006o5-G1 for 29290@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:42:44 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qt0-f172.google.com with SMTP id p44so16702525qtj.6 for <29290@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:42:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Or+xYSogE+ITFKD3uNm4tpAyhmmxE9d+3aSqNGmWVro=; b=Sv2W2KRZObLKPBxlxHkbmNvGN+vAPbE1Biq1ZwpAzJ+3LFoflDxe6GI66SvRZyAibb kHC+FLImxk7UXQiUJu+tFyRY+ZijdIJJ3Ng7zKIyhXE41f8YBw+Bvjgh3pN08NNR4/xy ew0Amc5HES39J4Ue2J/3530Uauh86sljjE3rEOOYs2k419fkTqUqXABLOB/auGHph/o1 uA2C3VPQZx5vi5B04jkrmcDogihV5y/dgCnvbDLFAeSE6tk/t7P0SG6mzjKFQFEYV/j0 ihKBDQagaLj9CNz8SDdehvjuiYFtoliAHkbfKACAQ+k124QvotY/gNXpTJP7gQKZpZ3h 593Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Or+xYSogE+ITFKD3uNm4tpAyhmmxE9d+3aSqNGmWVro=; b=fHuLD9wikf5R6CFc5QF0B3L6xYwuk1dPpnN9Jj4IzTddmcEY01IvmZc9DrI6nQ9vLn Z5Af4nmu27HT5R4cCHtqVlk+AiYmoy9S9e3V9Rb8EQ4VmS95ObMAc5wszOUK5qNUi5x7 kkdhL8ENHUSq6RKiRvhhJO9plDNWDFazddJF3UIQKcIvRnTRqJHFxfWu55Q+NvzsLjK2 1KP6my5LF3Gql0+/Q0KIe/IOJML03XqRyOtV+JrAvcF7Mv5e5GnJOBYRWD8A59hX0JSS bIytY3I4YF0XcC9Y4YqemHcoT/2ACGdonRY/MQdwVfT40o1pco+sWpjx6xBG5bDS5vB1 r3EA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX75d6WppHNT9MBk/Li/SZspwV6F9HocCoIHKtVKsVxbF8sFrI3x Z/8SMSc4K283Jq/B2iqGcHT0SmHx X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZCjwjIWDK1PEEATVOuBfRD31hN+6MLVrOPzDT6KbG1BCkieSU9mXwCCUYYCa1APrBEYAJU1Q== X-Received: by 10.200.42.219 with SMTP id c27mr21674360qta.28.1510681358686; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:42:38 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from g1 (c-73-167-118-254.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [73.167.118.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y30sm12732304qtd.48.2017.11.14.09.42.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:42:37 -0800 (PST) In-reply-to: <837euslwhc.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:139891 Archived-At: On 11/14/2017 at 15:18 Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: myglc2 >> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:17:28 -0500 >> >> To see an example, search bug-gnu-emacs for 'server-name', e.g., >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=server-name&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score >> >> This gives 20 hits non of which is ... >> >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/23576 >> [documentation] ‘Using Emacs as a Server’: ‘M-x set-variable RET >> server-name RET foo RET’ > My suggestion is to use the search engine of the bug tracker, at > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi > > It is more sophisticated and does find the above bug report. I tried the link above. It takes an unnatural amount of effort to find the bug between the garbled titles and summary lines. > The reasons why the mailman search didn't find the report could be a > few. One of them could be the way the Subject line was formatted > (download the bug report in mbox format and see for yourself). Or it > could be some other snafu. But aren't you alarmed it works so poorly? > But you are advised to try the above > search engine before concluding that a bug for some issue doesn't > exist. Sorry, I didn't see that. Where is this advised? 'M-x report-emacs-bug' mentions debbugs.gnu.org but does not provide any specific advice. The first google hit for "emacs bug" is https://debbugs.gnu.org So, OK, both put you on debbugs.gnu.org. Now if you search the page for "emacs" ... ... the first hit is the aforementioned mailman search ;-( ... the second hit is https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;max-bugs=100;base-order=1;bug-rev=1 ... which I can't get to find the bug ;-( So, bottom line, 1) if you _don't want_ people to go to mailman search please _remove the 1st link_ on debbugs.gnu.org 2) if you want people to go to the search link you gave me, please _edit the 2nd link_ debbugs.gnu.org 3) If you want average users to use https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi to pre-chew bug reports please to improve its usability.