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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, johan.myreen@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: An anonymous IRC user's opinion
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2024 15:47:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86cyj9u71k.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877c9hizof.fsf@web.de> (arne_bab@web.de)

> From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
> Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>,  johan.myreen@gmail.com,
>   emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2024 14:21:36 +0100
> 
> Though I think the disagreement hints that there’s something more
> general that’s not as good as it could be: discoverability.

Discoverability doesn't mean the things need to be in my face.  It
means they are easy to discover _when_I_need_them_.  Nothing else will
work well in a package such as Emacs with thousands of features.

In order to be able to discover stuff in Emacs, I need at least to
know what I'm looking for.  I need to know to ask the questions.  If I
know to ask the right questions and use the right words, then the
built-in documentation has several commands which will make
discoverability easy.  (If they don't, please report specific bugs.)
But if I don't even know to ask the questions, I need to try, or to
guess, or to use some clever search engine, or just wait for that TIL
day to come.

> For keybindings, which-key-mode mostly solves that for me.

which-key-mode will not help you discover key bindings of packages you
haven't loaded into your session.  So various optional features that
define useful key bindings will not be discoverable that way.  For
example, if you type "C-c", which-key-mode will not tell you about key
bindings of, say, Outline mode, unless that mode is already activated.

> But I don’t know a way to finding that there’s a feature that could
> help me isn’t better.

Emacs has several Help commands specifically designed to ease
discoverability.  Take a look at the beginning of the Help chapter in
the Emacs user manual, where these facilities are described.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-05 13:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-06  7:32 An anonymous IRC user's opinion Abraham S.A.H. via Emacs development discussions.
2024-10-06  8:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  8:44 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-06  9:01   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  9:09   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  9:32   ` Abraham S.A.H. via Emacs development discussions.
2024-10-06 11:28     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-06 13:10       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06 12:55     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-09  3:29       ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-09 20:20         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-10  8:57           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09  3:30   ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-09  6:48     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09 20:22       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-09 11:09     ` Johan Myréen
2024-10-09 13:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 13:38         ` tomas
2024-10-09 16:02         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09 16:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 21:55           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-10  7:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10  9:35               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-10 10:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13  3:29               ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-10  6:07           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-09 16:06         ` Johan Myréen
2024-10-09 16:12           ` Ship Mints
2024-10-09 16:25           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 21:25         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-10  4:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10  5:14             ` Xiyue Deng
2024-10-10  6:36               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10  6:59                 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-10-11 20:30             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-12  7:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-12 20:27                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-12 21:00                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-13  4:53                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13  6:28                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-13  4:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13  9:37                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-13 10:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13 15:31                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-13 15:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-14  9:32                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-14 11:09                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-10-15  1:41                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-14 14:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-15  1:36                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-15 12:03                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-03  3:10                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-03  6:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-03 19:24                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-04 12:04                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 12:11                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 17:41                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-04 19:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 20:59                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 12:11                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 17:05                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 17:28                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 19:40                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 19:53                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 20:59                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-06 12:15                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 12:46                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-06 13:25                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 16:07                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-06 17:14                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 13:21                                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-05 13:47                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-11-05 16:52                                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-05 17:22                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 17:49                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-05 19:23                                                           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-06  0:09                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-06  9:35                                                               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-06  9:59                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-07 14:16                                                                 ` Automatic Suggestion of Packages Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-07 16:07                                                                   ` Visuwesh
2024-11-07 21:50                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-08  4:15                                                                       ` Visuwesh
2024-11-08  4:29                                                                         ` Visuwesh
2024-11-08 14:02                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-08 15:44                                                                           ` Visuwesh
2024-11-08 16:23                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-11 20:07                                                                   ` Mekeor Melire
2024-11-12  3:00                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-10-13 10:52                       ` An anonymous IRC user's opinion Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-10 13:58     ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-10 14:45       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-12  3:19         ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-10-06  5:31 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-10-06  6:04 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  9:06 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-06  9:10   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06 10:31   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-10-07 21:17     ` John ff
2024-10-13  3:29   ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-01 20:09 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2024-10-04 16:25 ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-04 18:10   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-04 18:30     ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-04 19:24       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-04 20:37         ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-05  8:41           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-05 12:57             ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-05 13:21               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-05 15:57               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09  3:30               ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-09  7:04                 ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-07  3:54     ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-07  4:14       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-07 14:27         ` Ship Mints
2024-10-07 14:46           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-07 10:31       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-10  0:22 ` chad

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