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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, pipcet@protonmail.com, 75322@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#75322: SAFE_ALLOCA assumed to root Lisp_Objects/SSDATA(string)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 10:23:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86cyh3f0mr.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2o70n120h.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Gerd Möllmann on Sat, 04 Jan 2025 08:17:34 +0100)

> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
> Cc: pipcet@protonmail.com,  75322@debbugs.gnu.org, Helmut Eller
>  <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 08:17:34 +0100
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > The current code in callproc.c assumes that GC cannot run while we are
> > parked in posix_spawn or vfork.  Is that assumption false with MPS?
> > If so, what would trigger GC during that time?
> 
> Okay, so it's safe with the old GC, I assume. Do you know if it is done
> with an inhibit_garbage_collection?

No, without.  Unless posix_spawn could somehow call back to us in a
way that posix_spawn will later return and resume running (as opposed
to via a fatal signal), how could GC happen?

> Not that we run into the trap that somewhere on the way to the
> actual fork maybe_quit is called which can GC and so on, like we had
> it in the regexp engine a while back.

This can be established by examining the code, right?

> For MPS, I don't know for sure. I have seen in passing while git
> grepping in their repo recently, that they write something about forking
> and child processes, but I don't know what they do. Maybe someone having
> read the code can answer that. (Added Helmut in CC).

We are talking about vfork, not fork.  In our case, the forked process
runs a completely separate program, in most cases not even Emacs, so MPS
has no bearing on that, I think.

> > Another question is about the global Lisp variables in 'globals'.  For
> > example, Vprocess_environment actually globals.f_Vprocess_environment.
> > Is this large struct protected from GC, i.e. can GC ever decide that
> > process-environment is not used and free it?  If it's protected, where
> > and how is it protected?  And if it is protected, then any members of
> > the list that is the value of process-environment are also protected
> > and cannot be freed by GC.
> >
> > If 'globals' is not protected, I think we should protect it, no?
> 
> process-environment is a DEFVAR_LISP, and is root in both GCs via the
> staticpro mechanism (staticvec array).

OK, so it's impossible that some member of the process-environment's
list will be GCed, right?  AFAIU, Pip was considering a situation
where some of these member strings are GCed, and then subroutines of
posix_spawn use a bad address, to explain the error message Ihor
reported.  This seems impossible because process-environment is
staticpro'd, right?





  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-04  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-03 17:20 bug#75322: SAFE_ALLOCA assumed to root Lisp_Objects/SSDATA(string) Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-03 19:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 20:34   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 20:48     ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04  4:40       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  7:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04  8:47           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  9:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 10:20               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 13:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 14:11                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 17:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 18:17                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 19:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 20:04                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 20:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06  3:57                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-06  8:25                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-06 14:07                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 21:15                           ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 12:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 14:48                               ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 15:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:27                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-05 21:01                     ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-05 23:28                       ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 13:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:08                           ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06  4:23                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 11:41               ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 11:29         ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 12:17           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  7:00     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04  7:17       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  8:23         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2025-01-04  8:58           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 11:08       ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 13:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 14:13           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 15:26           ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 15:34             ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 18:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 18:35                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 19:10                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 19:24                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 18:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 19:32               ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 20:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 21:15                   ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05  8:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  9:04                       ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05  9:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  9:47                           ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 11:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:54                               ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-06 19:16                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-08  3:46                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05  6:32 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05  6:59   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 10:30       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:35         ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 10:45           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 11:37           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 12:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 13:21               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 17:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 17:49                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 18:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 19:02                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05  7:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  8:19     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 10:40         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:21           ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 11:27             ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:49             ` Paul Eggert
2025-01-06  6:26           ` Gerd Möllmann

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