From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: recent changes to org files Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:16:09 +0200 Message-ID: <86bqaq6pza.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <8D11CC21-71C6-4BCE-ACBC-090E429E311A@science.uva.nl> <86k5pe6t4e.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <1100BA17-7426-4C73-9EF0-FF90C1859B47@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1193138186 30184 80.91.229.12 (23 Oct 2007 11:16:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , Stefan Monnier , Glenn Morris , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 23 13:16:26 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IkHkI-0002jX-Du for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:16:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkHkA-0005OY-5p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:16:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IkHk6-0005Jv-Au for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:16:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IkHk4-0005H4-SZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:16:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkHk4-0005Gk-Pn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:16:12 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IkHk3-00031F-Sm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:16:12 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13818 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:16:07 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 12471 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2007 11:16:10 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (quinx.quinscape.de [127.0.0.1]) by quinx.quinscape.de (AvMailGate-2.1.3-2) id 12465-c29UTU; Di, 23 Okt 2007 13:16:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Oct 2007 11:16:09 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D3A7AE1C6E; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:16:09 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <1100BA17-7426-4C73-9EF0-FF90C1859B47@gmail.com> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Tue\, 23 Oct 2007 12\:36\:04 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.6.0.27; VDF: 7.0.0.121; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:81548 Archived-At: Carsten Dominik writes: > I don't have the time to spend my days on emacs-devel, my energy > goes into making org-mode as good as I can. The version of org-mode > that is tested the most is the one I distribute, and the most likely > to not have any bugs. That assumes that more people use the org-mode from your web site than the org mode in Emacs, since using org-mode is a sort of testing. If that is the case, there is little point in distributing org-mode as part of Emacs. But I really doubt it. > That is the one I am checking into. Emacs. When I see changes made > to org-mode in Emacs I am incorporating them into my master copy if > they make sense, and only then. > > If I would follow Stefan' advice and only check in diffs, the `next- > line' code would be broken now. If indeed this would be the case (and I don't see that right now), it would be broken in a documented and isolatable way, and for a reason. This reason remains to exist. Overwriting the change without comment or documentation means that the same reason will possibly result in the same change being made later on. If some code is in violation of the Emacs development guidelines, the reason should be documented so that people _know_ about it and leave it alone. Silently reverting the change in a manner that looks like an accident will not achieve this. > I do agree, I am not battling, I am doing as good as I can and I I > sometimes slip. But if I am the maintainer of org-mode in Emacs, > than I and no one else decides what goes into the mode and what not. > If people disagree, and I will quit maintaining this mode inside > Emacs. Basically you are asking that nothing, including bug fixes, may be committed to org-mode except by yourself. Then there is no point in having org-mode inside of Emacs' CVS. Being a maintainer does not mean that nobody else may do work on the code. It means that people in general respect you having the last word. But it is the last, not the only word. -- David Kastrup