From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:57:46 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86bq0h7pdx.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <86wsj66sby.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6a01ec87-795c-4306-a698-d6d6ba85afdd@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217277654 9334 80.91.229.12 (28 Jul 2008 20:40:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:40:54 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 28 22:41:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNZXD-0001FE-I5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:41:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35745 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNZWJ-0001Yu-Lg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:40:39 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!85.25.133.70.MISMATCH!news.schnuerpel.net!news.schnuerpel.eu!news.albasani.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Trace: news.albasani.net MMkUjdwu8RI6Q1Zb5lC+mqwwsLYJw7x9xafSiCyjthSHdjs9PaJGV18S8hl3Y1oPGXGZ5VGSDfL5aIfUDuRKqbTPgnWHu9sx3i/KKBi1C8caD1BCVbgwD3Fcj6Dt/Lz4 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@albasani.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:53:09 +0000 (UTC) X-User-ID: H8qLE+oPzYpaySmC0WK7UMo8Wy4o+0XW3u9ZqVud2h8= X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Cancel-Lock: sha1:2Qmzu/wIlrjSIjYl0Xl+4woXlzo= sha1:tklyN6CZ9BJWLm8dJVw9uccB0Nk= User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NNTP-Posting-Host: LJ2M8ti8QYoH6veI7/1+U1BkClz7JoYHzvXF0COhgFQ= Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160652 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56002 Archived-At: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Xah Lee wrote: XL> On Jul 28, 6:39 am, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> You have to consider the *cost* of breaking something like the Meta >> convention, not just the benefit. XL> The cost of changing emacs's notation from “M-‹key›” to “Alt+‹key›” in XL> emacs's manual is about maybe 4 hour's work by a few interactive find- XL> replace operations in emacs, helped with eye balling. XL> There is basically no cost to users. Any new user will immediately XL> understand “Alt+‹key›” and perhaps feel this is a great improvement. XL> Old emacs users might get a mental shock for the first hour when their XL> hear about this change in emacs 23's change log, that's about it. Same XL> for “C-” vs “Ctrl+” notation. OK, since you're not even remotely connected to reality, I'll drop this topic. >> But feel free to suggest it through the proper channels as others >> have mentioned. XL> Thanks. If you find this point about notation in manual has some XL> merit, please help me set records straight. You can mention it to XL> your emacs buddies, or link to my article in your blog, etc. You don't understand. I am against this change (for reasons I listed), but I encourage you to submit it through the proper channels if you want to have any chance of making it happen. Otherwise you're wasting everyone's time. I don't have a blog. I don't have "emacs buddies." I don't have time to debate this since you don't appear to have any interest in reality. XL> Perhaps we can blame Ted, he started to correct me or point out about XL> my use of the notation of “Alt+‹key›”. ... XL> Note his use of the word “preferred”, and he gave reasons. I don't XL> agree that it is not preferred, and i don't agree about the reasons he XL> gave. I go by what's in the Emacs manual. You go by your opinion. Which do you think is more useful to a user? Ted