From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is it only me or is your ding also silent? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:48:36 +0200 Message-ID: <86bmoc76zf.fsf@zoho.com> References: <87lgni7643.fsf@jane> <8660el93qz.fsf@zoho.com> <20170722083927.GA2311@ordenador31> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1500742167 2839 195.159.176.226 (22 Jul 2017 16:49:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 16:49:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 22 18:49:23 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dYxaj-0000Hm-VF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:49:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47828 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYxam-0004as-CV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:49:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41563) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYxaL-0004al-1I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:48:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYxaH-0007S5-Tp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:48:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=38650 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYxaH-0007Rx-Nu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dYxa4-0006iS-3F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:48:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 47 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:gwVMeygTxxilh1OEUUcXr6opj4c= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113827 Archived-At: Héctor Lahoz wrote: > Besides, I still have some problems with > English. Let's be honest here. I'll never > master English as if it was my mother tongue. No one did. Open a drawer in your kitchen and start talking about the stuff you find there, in English. Or read a book about the seven seas. What are all these ship parts called, and can you explain their purposes in English, even as it is explained in the book? With technology (computers) it is another matter. One - there are so many specific terms that have never been, and shouldn't be, translated. (We talked about "cut" in the other thread.) Second - there are so many books and so much material that will never be translated. Material which you need and want. This is why, after reading tons of such books, and being in zillions of discussions - hopefully not every single one of them about "cut" - at that point it is more natural to forever do it in English. Not because anyone is "as good" in English as they are in their native language in general. > So I'd like to be able to read the Emacs > manual in my own language. Just because > I feel more comfortable with it. Yes, and it is completely natural! But depending on the situation for your language, at some point you simply cannot do that as there isn't any material left and you still want to push further. And beyond that point, you will soon be assimilated to. Resistance is futile :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573