From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: myglc2 Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:41:02 -0500 Message-ID: <86bmk4pp9d.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86h8txpy47.fsf@gmail.com> <837euslwhc.fsf@gnu.org> <86d14kpxir.fsf@gmail.com> <83lgj8k7z1.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1510692138 24872 195.159.176.226 (14 Nov 2017 20:42:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:42:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.18; emacs 25.3.1 Cc: 29290@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 14 21:42:10 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEi23-0005qY-3U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 21:42:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33490 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEi2A-0003dl-6u for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:42:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40526) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEi21-0003cw-Vp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:42:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEi1y-0003Ah-OT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:42:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEi1y-0003Ab-Kc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:42:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEi1y-0002fo-BN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:42:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: myglc2 Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29290 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 29290-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29290.151069207210213 (code B ref 29290); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:42:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29290) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2017 20:41:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40609 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEi19-0002ef-Hi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:41:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qt0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:53070) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEi18-0002eS-56 for 29290@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:41:10 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qt0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 31so29006307qtz.9 for <29290@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:41:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V0hZzLMhvbkJR+sgqOePTWXg2eGDCSsFpuSBMkp+ui0=; b=m5Ghya+td1zRRKWrNtd0P4IW8KYJNsR6qgMpYIN+SS+a6ji62Bjcx1ychg5JleRpa8 R6RqaoI7Ga3ge5xhytJKnxpqYzk4EnWnv7o6G8NGhh9atns5nNnc3su3Gzj3E7L2gnFV SiwksP5NIZvqXGYKybT5jcGVi/ojdvanq2Llur3KMIQ/9mxSxFXvyjYVP+zt9pppOh7h jtEycb9FS8A7ouMn6w5GOHoE1oXtrjqwXpjWDTrab5YCqMtiCfFKsx+M7kdhRdjg4JQb 3uyJmNtihCwQmcLDxTOJNiwK8HfJzdsjI+qEWwX8/9hZdoisWhuB9kWVO1FGgW6/DRko +X4w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V0hZzLMhvbkJR+sgqOePTWXg2eGDCSsFpuSBMkp+ui0=; b=U3IoUN2mgvgLtgvBGX3arbWkeX0ejn/ApU15bVOxLKjFgYxdKbbrMCa4HJJIuM0H+M QoR/KSffhPsX72CYr8+vQhb6S6PDqAR8bttq7/dnbjq3LIY49h2YwYQkSAbR1mWQ+anH HgSozdaXVCN2YkiarZnmsjqX7pAYcqCzPqcJ0yNpA3C6qm4ShBIiO5k0PmJXYKo3NPWN a2GkldTG/KkXvzkF8RUSyxnP3o9Bs1wMSEde0I9jviAegnd+u00mThrbe3qzg5CzjkIz zlPE0Rx/hkId2bhfcn4PpVos47vcuqjSFTadurDeeIHnF0D/gqc+rz9P3bdmJjqkKyuT 5lLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7QMGxq2tGfRuDQdEdIU7Zh/eIjMf0UORRakMZVxWBwWP4LK7HY dIE53szbj9Kof8uJsPtm7FdYuz+R X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaYOGu8Yj4CNCY5iMboB6nsJMbYFXUtp4/Vsx+37nl4prAvEz6kJ9fIk1euusCO2rTUPOzUNg== X-Received: by 10.237.53.39 with SMTP id a36mr2100361qte.88.1510692064225; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:41:04 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from g1 (c-73-167-118-254.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [73.167.118.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h36sm12997233qtd.69.2017.11.14.12.41.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:41:03 -0800 (PST) In-reply-to: <83lgj8k7z1.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:139901 Archived-At: On 11/14/2017 at 18:53 Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: myglc2 >> Cc: 29290@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:42:36 -0500 >> >> > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi >> > >> > It is more sophisticated and does find the above bug report. >> >> I tried the link above. It takes an unnatural amount of effort to find >> the bug between the garbled titles and summary lines. > > "Garbled"? What do you see there, exactly, and what browser did you > use to do that? I see nothing garbled, everything is perfectly > legible and clear. I wonder what did you do differently and what did > you see. Using Safari on Macos on https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi, when I enter "server-name AND set-variable" and look in the results for 23576, I find ... #23576: Re: bug#23576: [documentation] =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98Using?= Emacs as a Package: emacs Severity: minor; Sent by: Eli Zaretskii at Wed, 18 May 2016 22:53:33 +0300 Received: (at 23576-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2016 19:53:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bou . . . s as a =?utf-8?Q?Server=E2=80=99=3A_=E2=80=98M-x?= set-variable RET server-name RET foo =?utf-8?Q?RET=E2=80=99?= R . . . ach one a unique “server name”, using the variable server-name. For > example, M-x set-variable RET server-name R . . . ode/emacs/Emacs-Server.html > > First of all, ‘M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET' just does > not work, . . . rning “Value ‘foo' does not match type string of > server-name”. It actually should be ‘M-x set-variable RET serv I call this "garbled" because it is so mangled by escape that the title is uninformative and the paragraph is unreadable. It looks the same in Chrome. It looks only a bit better in 'M-x eww' ... * #23576: Re: bug#23576: [documentation] =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98Using?= Emacs as a Package: emacs Severity: minor; Sent by: Eli Zaretskii at Wed, 18 May 2016 22:53:33 +0300 Received: (at 23576-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2016 19:53:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bou . . . s as a =?utf-8?Q?Server=E2=80=99=3A_=E2=80=98M-x?= set-variable RET server-name RET foo =?utf-8?Q?RET=E2=80=99?= R . . . ach one a unique “server name”, using the variable server-name. For > example, M-x set-variable RET server-name R . . . ode/emacs/Emacs-Server.html > > First of all, ‘M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET' just does > not work, . . . rning “Value ‘foo' does not match type string of > server-name”. It actually should be ‘M-x set-variable RET serv Am I being too harsh? ;-) > > After getting to the above search page, I type "server-name" into the > "Phrase" field, select "Order by Submission date", in "descending > (number or date)" order, change "Max results" to 100, and click > "Search". Did you do something else? No, the page works that way for me too. >> > The reasons why the mailman search didn't find the report could be a >> > few. One of them could be the way the Subject line was formatted >> > (download the bug report in mbox format and see for yourself). Or it >> > could be some other snafu. >> >> But aren't you alarmed it works so poorly? > > Alarmed? no. Searching for a particular discussion is never easy for > me. > Ouch! Search is the great success story of the the 20th century, but only when you can read the results ;-) > >> > But you are advised to try the above >> > search engine before concluding that a bug for some issue doesn't >> > exist. >> >> Sorry, I didn't see that. Where is this advised? > > In my email. OH, thanks. I thought you were saying I had failed to see something. > >> The first google hit for "emacs bug" is https://debbugs.gnu.org >> >> So, OK, both put you on debbugs.gnu.org. Now if you search the page for >> "emacs" ... >> >> ... the first hit is the aforementioned mailman search ;-( >> >> ... the second hit is >> >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;max-bugs=100;base-order=1;bug-rev=1 >> >> ... which I can't get to find the bug ;-( > > I see none of what you see, sorry. It's as if we were in two > different worlds. https://debbugs.gnu.org/ has a few links to usage > notes, package maintainers, and other not-so relevant stuff, then a > few fields to use for searching bugs by their numbers, then "General > Search", which I never user, and lastly "Advanced Search", which is > what I suggested to click. How come what you see is so different? > No we see the same thing but I am talking about some of the what you are calling "not-so relevant stuff" ;-) Please look for the links on https://debbugs.gnu.org/ with "emacs" in their title. You will see links to ... 1) https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs 2) https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;max-bugs=100;base-order=1;bug-rev=1 These send your emacs users with bugs to report to places that you don't recommend that they go so I am saying please change them ... >> So, bottom line, >> >> 1) if you _don't want_ people to go to mailman search please _remove the >> 1st link_ on debbugs.gnu.org >> >> 2) if you want people to go to the search link you gave me, please _edit >> the 2nd link_ debbugs.gnu.org >> >> 3) If you want average users to use >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi to pre-chew bug reports please >> to improve its usability. > > I don't understand what you are talking about, sorry. So I tried again. HTH - George