From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 23:04:12 +0200 Message-ID: <86blzi1gkz.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <3210C8E9-7A74-47D6-81A0-470948E6D09C@gmail.com> <87r28xq0j1.fsf@telefonica.net> <576240a5-c92a-5cf8-898b-43f214a2b580@yandex.ru> <83imu9beyn.fsf@gnu.org> <8463581c-c40f-a66a-5c9c-0995a3b45cd0@yandex.ru> <83bm01b83i.fsf@gnu.org> <66e5fc8d-5cf4-89cd-5c4f-7fad581a97f5@yandex.ru> <83zhnl9pak.fsf@gnu.org> <6c23e6a7-91b9-92db-0f2d-ac11fdf5a35c@yandex.ru> <83woip9mgs.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="76157"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 31 23:21:30 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hWoxu-000Jgn-1o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 23:21:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49299 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWoxt-0002DG-2q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 17:21:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32995) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWovn-0000ag-SU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 17:19:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWohK-0002XL-FW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 17:04:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=56190 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hWohK-0002WW-8L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 17:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hWohH-0017w5-Hv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 May 2019 23:04:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:PUloAA5r3OQcVXg3W0DpNjjQhF8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120720 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > You said you thought the competition was more > popular because they are more consistent. Emacs may be inconsistent in spots but not to the point that people will choose other software because of that. If so, we are dealing with people who are ... special. "The competition" must also be consistent beyond belief for their's to contrast to our's to the point people will choose them rather than us! PS. I put "the competition" between quotation marks not only because it was in a quote, but also because ... yeah, what is "the competition", exactly? In this whole thread I think I've heard of .NET/Mono, Eclipse, and Vim, all of which I don't consider competitors as they do different things, mostly, or in a very different way at least. Also nano and notepad has been mentioned, two strong competitors to Emacs indeed :) And ed and sed, which is us leaving the realm of sanity IMO. So again, what is the competition exactly? Do tell, and I'll try it out with some of my own source right away! -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal