From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Juan =?utf-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Garc=C3=ADa-Ripoll?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Process to build standalone Emacs + deps in Windows Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:19:13 +0100 Message-ID: <86blojtfse.fsf@csic.es> References: <86fte0pmnc.fsf@csic.es> <83sgi0cwxj.fsf@gnu.org> <86a748xxnx.fsf@csic.es> <87eetk1apz.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86d090ha3q.fsf@csic.es> <86r1xgcx6b.fsf@csic.es> <86mu84cwoi.fsf@csic.es> <878sjoqd1x.fsf@russet.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="53539"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (windows-nt) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:zvOh9tDNHBGg2li3c8VRM3R89K4= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 26 14:20:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jHSRE-000Dnb-8y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:20:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jHSRD-0003pR-BP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:20:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53755) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jHSQW-00032m-PF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jHSQV-0001b5-LV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:20:04 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([159.69.161.202]:50578) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jHSQV-0001ap-Fb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:20:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jHSQU-000D4F-7n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:20:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 159.69.161.202 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:245802 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Of course, we do not need the *.el files at all. > > I really hope we keep them there. Even if many users won't look at > them, the fact that they're so easy to get to is almost a defining > feature of Emacs. I concur that the *.el files _are_ needed. Right now I am debugging 3 regressions in Emacs-27 and a bug in 26.3. I can do this with the installed copy of Emacs without needing to install the sources (even though I have them in other directories) because I can inspect the code. Moreover, the current information system about variables and functions is dramatically improved by having them around: I can use C-h v and name a variable and go to the code and see how it is used, etc. Without the *.el files Emacs becomes just a black box, like VS Studio. -- Juan José García Ripoll http://juanjose.garciaripoll.com http://quinfog.hbar.es