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[2001:44b8:31f2:bb00:842a:7361:87c7:2662]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e126-20020a621e84000000b00535d094d6ecsm11436726pfe.108.2022.08.23.21.26.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 23 Aug 2022 21:26:58 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::630; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x630.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293951 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Have we tried patching GTK to add workarounds -- for instance, > > > defining an "exit function" hook to call instead of `_exit'? > > > We could distribute such patches, and they might accept the patches. > > > They insist that it is unsafe to call anything except for _exit, beca= use > > it is not safe to save files after the display server goes down. > > There are various ways users can make such modifications. > We can add those to the list of possible options to compare. > This is for GTK 3, right? > > One pwrtinent question is, how bad would the problems of GTK 3 be if > we imagine a few of them have been fided this way? Would they be bad > enough that we would want to reject GTK 3 over them anyway? > > There is a modified version of GNOME 2, which I suppose includes GTK > 2. It is called Mat=C3=A9. (The accent on "=C3=AB is incorrect Spanish,= but it > is correct English.) It is no longer maintained, but it is probably a > better starting point than GNOME 2 itself. I use it, because it is > included in Trisquel. I presume it contains a version of GTK 2. > > If newer versions of GTK are lousy, and the other options also have > bad problems, maybe this is the best. I think mate is still maintained. Both Ubuntu and Fedora have current versions of their distribution which is based on it. I think cinnamon is also based on GTK2?