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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298180 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: >> >> if the existing text is not clearly incorrect, don't change it, even if = there's some >> guide that says it's 'wrong'. 'which' vs 'that' falls in that camp >> > > IMHO, it doesn't. And, FWIW, here's what the CMOS says: > > that; which. These are both relative pronouns. In polished American pro= se, _that_ is > used restrictively to narrow a category or identify a particular item bei= ng talked about > {any building that is taller must be outside the state}; _which_ is used > nonrestrictively---not to narrow a class or identify a particular item bu= t to add > something about an item already identified {alongside the officer trotted= a toy poodle, > which is hardly a typical police dog}. _Which_ is best used restrictivel= y only when it is > preceded by a preposition {the situation in which we find ourselves}. Non= restrictively, it > is almost always preceded by a comma, a parenthesis, or a dash. (In Briti= sh English, > writers and editors seldom observe the distinction between the two words.= ) Is it a useful > distinction? Yes. The language inarguably benefits from having a termin= ological as well > as a punctuational means of telling a restrictive from a nonrestrictive r= elative pronoun. =E2=80=9CWe have really everything in common with America nowadays, except,= of course, language.=E2=80=9D -- Oscar Wilde