Re: [OT] Gnus and MTA(local)

Re: [OT] Gnus and MTA(local)

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:03:07 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
> For several years, i have been using Postfix in my desktop which runs
> FreeBSD. In recent, i'm considering to switch local MTA from Postfix
> to the others (e.g., qmail, Exim, Sendmail, ...). So i read some
> papers about comparison MTAs. But still i could not deside what MTA is
> best for me using Gnus and send-pr(1). This time i would like to give
> +1 to Exim because most Emacs(Gnus, Rmail, VM, WL, Mew) folks use
> Exim.
>
> Especially i checked this paper: http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison

Hi Byung-Hee :)

IMO, this is a very good comparison.  I really enjoyed reading it, so
first of all thank you for the link.  When I finished reading the
article, I immediately tweeted about it, so others can pick it from my
feed and share the fun!

Postfix is a very nice system, with many features, it can support both
single-user workstations and large multi-thousand user domains, and it
runs pretty well on FreeBSD.  In fact, Postfix is the MTA that runs the
entire *.FreeBSD.org cluster of machines :)

FWIW, I still have Sendmail running on my laptop (mostly out of inertia
and because after the initial setup back in 1999 it still works fine),
but if I was changing MTAs it would be Postfix all the way.

So, what are your reasons for switching from Postfix to something else?
Maybe we can help you configure Postfix to do what you have in mind, and
you can still keep it.

Re: [OT] Gnus and MTA(local)

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> writes:

> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:03:07 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
>> For several years, i have been using Postfix in my desktop which runs
>> FreeBSD. In recent, i'm considering to switch local MTA from Postfix
>> to the others (e.g., qmail, Exim, Sendmail, ...). So i read some
>> papers about comparison MTAs. But still i could not deside what MTA is
>> best for me using Gnus and send-pr(1). This time i would like to give
>> +1 to Exim because most Emacs(Gnus, Rmail, VM, WL, Mew) folks use
>> Exim.
>>
>> Especially i checked this paper: http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
>
> Hi Byung-Hee :)
>
> IMO, this is a very good comparison.  I really enjoyed reading it, so
> first of all thank you for the link.  When I finished reading the
> article, I immediately tweeted about it, so others can pick it from my
> feed and share the fun!
>
> Postfix is a very nice system, with many features, it can support both
> single-user workstations and large multi-thousand user domains, and it
> runs pretty well on FreeBSD.  In fact, Postfix is the MTA that runs the
> entire *.FreeBSD.org cluster of machines :)
>
> FWIW, I still have Sendmail running on my laptop (mostly out of inertia
> and because after the initial setup back in 1999 it still works fine),
> but if I was changing MTAs it would be Postfix all the way.
>
> So, what are your reasons for switching from Postfix to something else?
> Maybe we can help you configure Postfix to do what you have in mind, and
> you can still keep it.
>

Hi Giorgos!

Actually Postfix setup is more easy than the others. So Postfix goes
with many spammers, in recent.  To tell truth, i want to take off such a
dishonor. Still clean MTA by the point is Exim, i think. Many free
software folks use that. But i won't change the outbond MTA (Postfix on
FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE). The outbond performs so many tasks for me. Only my
concern is local MTA. That is easy, no trouble though it fails.

Sincerely,
   
-- 
Byung-Hee HWANG, KNU 
∑ WWW: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/

Re: [OT] Gnus and MTA(local)

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:33:57 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
>> So, what are your reasons for switching from Postfix to something else?
>> Maybe we can help you configure Postfix to do what you have in mind, and
>> you can still keep it.
>
> Hi Giorgos!
>
> Actually Postfix setup is more easy than the others. So Postfix goes
> with many spammers, in recent.  To tell truth, i want to take off such
> a dishonor.

That's the first time I've heard something like this!  My opinion is
that it is not a dishonorable thing to use something that works, but
just `sensible'.

For example knives can be used to do many dishonorable things: to kill a
person; to threaten others and extort money, resources, or even sex; to
mutilate and harm both human and non-human beings.  They can also be
used to do wonderful things like cooking, carving wooden artwork, to
perform medical operations that save many lives every day, and so on.

Should we stop using knives because *some* people find evil uses for
them?  My guess is `no' :)

> Still clean MTA by the point is Exim, i think. Many free software
> folks use that. But i won't change the outbond MTA (Postfix on FreeBSD
> 4.11-STABLE). The outbond performs so many tasks for me. Only my
> concern is local MTA. That is easy, no trouble though it fails.

Ah, that's much different.  If you do that to learn how to operate
another MTA, then this is fine and a worthy project, because it extends
knowledge and will be very useful when you have to administer an Exim
installation in the future.

So, if it's ok to have a bit of downtime, then go for it :-)

Re: [OT] Gnus and MTA(local)

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> writes:

> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:33:57 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
>>> So, what are your reasons for switching from Postfix to something else?
>>> Maybe we can help you configure Postfix to do what you have in mind, and
>>> you can still keep it.
>>
>> Hi Giorgos!
>>
>> Actually Postfix setup is more easy than the others. So Postfix goes
>> with many spammers, in recent.  To tell truth, i want to take off such
>> a dishonor.
>
> That's the first time I've heard something like this!  My opinion is
> that it is not a dishonorable thing to use something that works, but
> just `sensible'.
>
> For example knives can be used to do many dishonorable things: to kill a
> person; to threaten others and extort money, resources, or even sex; to
> mutilate and harm both human and non-human beings.  They can also be
> used to do wonderful things like cooking, carving wooden artwork, to
> perform medical operations that save many lives every day, and so on.
>
> Should we stop using knives because *some* people find evil uses for
> them?  My guess is `no' :)
>
>> Still clean MTA by the point is Exim, i think. Many free software
>> folks use that. But i won't change the outbond MTA (Postfix on FreeBSD
>> 4.11-STABLE). The outbond performs so many tasks for me. Only my
>> concern is local MTA. That is easy, no trouble though it fails.
>
> Ah, that's much different.  If you do that to learn how to operate
> another MTA, then this is fine and a worthy project, because it extends
> knowledge and will be very useful when you have to administer an Exim
> installation in the future.
>
> So, if it's ok to have a bit of downtime, then go for it :-)

Well still i did not decide what i use. Your example story is good to
me. After read that, i threw away the my wrong thought. Thank you for
kind replying!

-- 
Byung-Hee HWANG, KNU 
∑ WWW: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/

[OT] Gnus and MTA(local)

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

For several years, i have been using Postfix in my desktop which runs
FreeBSD. In recent, i'm considering to switch local MTA from Postfix to
the others (e.g., qmail, Exim, Sendmail, ...). So i read some papers
about comparison MTAs. But still i could not deside what MTA is best for
me using Gnus and send-pr(1). This time i would like to give +1 to Exim
because most Emacs(Gnus, Rmail, VM, WL, Mew) folks use Exim. 

Especially i checked this paper: http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison

OK, then, what do you think of?

Exim? or qmail or Sendmail or other?

Sincerely,

-- 
Byung-Hee HWANG, KNU 
∑ WWW: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/

Re: [OT] Gnus and MTA(local)

[Inconnu]

Byung-Hee HWANG a écrit profondement:

| For several years, i have been using Postfix in my desktop which runs
| FreeBSD. In recent, i'm considering to switch local MTA from Postfix to
| the others (e.g., qmail, Exim, Sendmail, ...). So i read some papers
| about comparison MTAs. But still i could not deside what MTA is best for
| me using Gnus and send-pr(1). This time i would like to give +1 to Exim
| because most Emacs(Gnus, Rmail, VM, WL, Mew) folks use Exim. 
| 
| Especially i checked this paper: http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
| 
| OK, then, what do you think of?
| 
| Exim? or qmail or Sendmail or other?
| 
| Sincerely,

This Gnus user uses Sendmail and has to date had no cause for complaint.

-- 
Inconnu

Re: [OT] Gnus and MTA(local)

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Inconnu <inconnu@azurservers.com> writes:

> Byung-Hee HWANG a écrit profondement:
>
> | For several years, i have been using Postfix in my desktop which runs
> | FreeBSD. In recent, i'm considering to switch local MTA from Postfix to
> | the others (e.g., qmail, Exim, Sendmail, ...). So i read some papers
> | about comparison MTAs. But still i could not deside what MTA is best for
> | me using Gnus and send-pr(1). This time i would like to give +1 to Exim
> | because most Emacs(Gnus, Rmail, VM, WL, Mew) folks use Exim. 
> | 
> | Especially i checked this paper: http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
> | 
> | OK, then, what do you think of?
> | 
> | Exim? or qmail or Sendmail or other?
> | 
> | Sincerely,
>
> This Gnus user uses Sendmail and has to date had no cause for complaint.

By the way, Sendmail have weakness about security, as far as i know. So
i'm afraid. 

-- 
Byung-Hee HWANG, KNU 
∑ WWW: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/