From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get the ~ functionality of vi Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 12:51:41 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <86a8j2tuiq.fsf@student.uu.se> References: <87shx44fbk.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <86h9dkfghn.fsf@student.uu.se> <87pos8p1js.fsf@elfie.nowhere.com> <87eg8n51ae.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <877fefg2h0.fsf@talkietoaster.mmweg.rwth-aachen.de> <86oa7j7brr.fsf@student.uu.se> <86eg8f72bp.fsf@student.uu.se> <86a8j3710n.fsf@student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1464951331 29375 80.91.229.3 (3 Jun 2016 10:55:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 10:55:31 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 03 12:55:31 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b8mlE-0003zH-4M for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2016 12:55:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54051 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b8mlD-0007Yh-BH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2016 06:55:27 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!feeder1.xsusenet.com!nntpspool.opticnetworks.net!nntpspool01.opticnetworks.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 95 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: EoOtCC1fCYcttx6jjhWUlA.user.gioia.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:wfnFyqlGAQxiHF4sZIlAGlfp3s8= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:217970 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:110278 Archived-At: Joost Kremers writes: >>> As I mentioned, that's subjective. >> I think it is objective. > > The operative words here being "I think". OK, I should have written just "No." - that would leave out any doubt, what the operative word is! There is also another perspective. Let's say I'm writing an article on K2 in Swedish. I'm going to do it all LaTeX like this piece on Kon-Tiki [1]. But before I do that I write everything in plain text. So here is a future subsection and a paragraph: ALBERTO ZERAIN 2008 fanns på K2 även den baskiske soloklättraren Alberto Zerain. De flesta på K2 det året var erfarna klättrare. Men Zerain klättrade så bra att till och med sherpas förundrat sökte varandras blickar. So here, I use `center-region' and `upcase-region' to do an ad-hoc subtitle, just to make it look nicer as I work. Perhaps that nicety will make me feel one per mille more relaxed and clear headed, which will make the article two per milles the better! So I absolutely agree it should be there, as it is so basic. Vanilla Emacs (and vi I suppose) should excel in doing basic things, because that is the fundament to the whole structure. At the universities they like to teach you "the top-down approach", e.g. @book{computer-networking-top-down-approach, title = {Computer Networking (A Top-Down Approach)}, author = {James Kurose; Keith Ross}, year = 2003, publisher = {Addison-Wesley}, } Here is were the universities and I agree to disagree as I every day of the week prefer the bottom-up approach, were first small building blocks are perfected until perfection, to *then* hold a superstructure of might and magic! This is analogous to the sport world. There is not one boxing gym from Alma-Ata (Almaty) to New York where the coach says "First we'll learn everything there is to know about boxing. Then we'll start throwing jabs." The same with soldiers, sailors, roofers, horsemen, chimney sweeps, you name it - day one is the BASICS! So instead, I'd recommend this book on networks: @book{internet-book, author = {Comer}, ISBN = 0138920923, publisher = {Pearson}, title = {The Internet Book}, year = 1997 } In this case, the OP isn't happy with the basic stuff. So his "might and magic" on top of the basic stuff is actually a rewind to get the basic stuff right. And there is nothing wrong with that. Actually I like it. I still think it is over-engineering but hey, no one said all engineers are the same. Some are even very unsimilar come to think of it... [1] %% This file: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/articles/kon-tiki/kon-tiki.tex %% The Biblatex: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/articles/kon-tiki/kon-tiki.bib %% The PDF: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/articles/kon-tiki/kon-tiki.pdf -- underground experts united .... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 Emacs Gnus Blogomatic ......... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/blogomatic - so far: 43 Blogomatic articles -