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Best probably just to check it out there. Otherwise I had it appended to a file and made some edits to make it more clear - here it is Something happened to my Gnus. Or the remote connection? Now when I do `gnus-group-get-new-news' Gnus hangs until I do C-g. The broken POP processes pile up at `list-processes'. > Maybe confirm that POP access works from the > command line first? > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/201818/checking-pop-mail-account-using-terminal Error according to socat, works with openssl. test-zoho () { local server=pop.zoho.com local port=995 socat - OPENSSL:${server}:${port} echo "socat done" openssl s_client -quiet -connect ${server}:${port} echo "openssl done" } $ test-zoho 2017/10/20 17:54:09 socat[29967] E SSL_connect(): error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed socat done depth=2 C = US, O = "thawte, Inc.", OU = Certification Services Division, OU = "(c) 2006 thawte, Inc. - For authorized use only", CN = thawte Primary Root CA verify return:1 depth=1 C = US, O = "thawte, Inc.", OU = Domain Validated SSL, CN = thawte DV SSL CA - G2 verify return:1 depth=0 CN = *.zoho.com verify return:1 +OK POP3 mx.zohomail.com v1.0 server ready <10427.1508514850321@mx.zohomail.com> user XYZ +OK pass ABC +OK quit +OK mx.zohomail.com Service closing transmission channel openssl done > Error according to socat, works with openssl. > test-zoho () { local server=pop.zoho.com local port=995 socat - OPENSSL:${server}:${port} echo "socat done" openssl s_client -quiet -connect ${server}:${port} echo "openssl done" } > $ test-zoho > 2017/10/20 17:54:09 socat[29967] E SSL_connect(): error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed socat done depth=2 C = US, O = "thawte, Inc.", OU = Certification Services Division, OU = "(c) 2006 thawte, Inc. - For authorized use only", CN = thawte Primary Root CA verify return:1 depth=1 C = US, O = "thawte, Inc.", OU = Domain Validated SSL, CN = thawte DV SSL CA - G2 verify return:1 depth=0 CN = *.zoho.com verify return:1 +OK POP3 mx.zohomail.com v1.0 server ready <10427.1508514850321@mx.zohomail.com> user XYZ +OK pass ABC +OK quit +OK mx.zohomail.com Service closing transmission channel openssl done Unfortunately I don't know too much about tls, and will be of limited help here, but my guess is there's something slightly wrong with the pop.zoho.com certificate, something that openssl is letting slide, but socat and gnutls aren't happy about. > my guess is there's something slightly wrong > with the pop.zoho.com certificate, something > that openssl is letting slide, but socat and > gnutls aren't happy about. What exactly is openssl? Can I use that instead of gnutls? >> my guess is there's something slightly wrong >> with the pop.zoho.com certificate, something >> that openssl is letting slide, but socat and >> gnutls aren't happy about. > What exactly is openssl? Can I use that > instead of gnutls? My understanding (and again, I know very little about these things) is that the two programs are roughly equivalent: they handle creating and checking TLS certificates, and creating and handling TLS-encrypted connections to remote servers. I actually was just assuming you are using gnutls, you can probably check the libgnutls-version. You can also try setting gnutls-log-level to 3 or 4 and fetching mail, and see if anything interesting pops up in *Messages*. The bad news is that I tried this: gnutls-cli --port 995 pop.zoho.com And it connected just fine. You might try that, and going through with the login procedure. > the two programs are roughly equivalent: they > handle creating and checking TLS > certificates, and creating and handling > TLS-encrypted connections to remote servers. OK, then how do I specify openssl should be used instead? Worth a shot... A search with `apropos-value' and "gnutls" reveals starttls-gnutls-program "gnutls-cli" tls-program ("gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h" "gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h --protocols ssl3" "openssl s_client -connect %h:%p -no_ssl2 -ign_eof") Neither set by me, but can be incorrect anyway, of course. Eheh. > I actually was just assuming you are using > gnutls, you can probably check the > libgnutls-version. If you mean ... then: $ gnutls-cli --version gnutls-cli 3.3.8 > You can also try setting gnutls-log-level to > 3 or 4 and fetching mail, and see if anything > interesting pops up in *Messages*. This does, over and over again: gnutls.c: [3] ASSERT: gnutls_buffers.c:547 gnutls.c: [3] (Emacs) retry: Resource temporarily unavailable, try again. gnutls.c: [1] (Emacs) non-fatal error: Resource temporarily unavailable, try again. gnutls.c: [3] ASSERT: gnutls_buffers.c:1104 > The bad news is that I tried this: > gnutls-cli --port 995 pop.zoho.com > And it connected just fine. You might try > that, and going through with the > login procedure. Login procedure works, the rest seems fine (?). >> the two programs are roughly equivalent: >> they handle creating and checking TLS >> certificates, and creating and handling >> TLS-encrypted connections to remote servers. > OK, then how do I specify openssl should be > used instead? Worth a shot... A search with > `apropos-value' and "gnutls" reveals > starttls-gnutls-program "gnutls-cli" > tls-program ("gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h" > "gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h --protocols > ssl3" "openssl s_client -connect %h:%p > -no_ssl2 -ign_eof") Maybe change this variable so that only the "openssl" string is in there? > If you mean ... then: > $ gnutls-cli --version gnutls-cli 3.3.8 I meant that if the variable libgnutls-version was non-nil, it probably meant you were using gnutls. But the variables you found above are more relevant. >> You can also try setting gnutls-log-level to >> 3 or 4 and fetching mail, and see if >> anything interesting pops up in *Messages*. > > This does, over and over again: > > gnutls.c: [3] ASSERT: gnutls_buffers.c:547 > > gnutls.c: [3] (Emacs) retry: Resource > temporarily unavailable, try again. > gnutls.c: [1] (Emacs) non-fatal error: > Resource temporarily unavailable, try again. > gnutls.c: [3] ASSERT: gnutls_buffers.c:1104 > The bad news is that I tried this: >> gnutls-cli --port 995 pop.zoho.com >> And it connected just fine. You might try >> that, and going through with the login >> >procedure. > > Login procedure works, the rest seems fine > (?). Another post on the topic: I'm gonna use this thread to dump everything related to this issue. At least then I have it all in one place. I've had the issue for several years off and on, on several computers even with slightly different OSs (Debian and Raspbian) so it is starting to get embarrassing. Mail source (pop :user XYZ :password ABC :server pop.zoho.com :port 995 :stream ssl) failed: (error USER XYZ not valid) and gnutls.c: [0] (Emacs) fatal error: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated. 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