From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 02:03:29 +0200 Message-ID: <86a7fjnwdq.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="157284"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 19 02:03:50 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9Is-000eni-5y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 May 2019 02:03:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40116 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9Ir-0004Lk-8N for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 May 2019 20:03:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34571) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9Ig-0004Lc-ML for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 May 2019 20:03:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9If-00024W-Kb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 May 2019 20:03:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=34502 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9If-00023q-AY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 May 2019 20:03:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9Id-000eWM-Ck for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 May 2019 02:03:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:IODEmqgLNmsnb20PMmCJkhCqL28= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120521 Archived-At: Ergus wrote: > We are far from becoming a toxic community, > but new/different ideas are not really very > welcome and sometimes the arguments are like > "it has always been like that", "old users > don't want that change". > > The conservative attitude in emacs > development group (apart from the technical > obstacles like the workflow and the paperwork > and so on) gives the idea of a closed > environment (that actually it is from the > development point of view because we are like > frozen in the past) where only very experts > are welcome (that's the vision people have > from outside) so very few melpa developers > are really interested to face all those > issues to contribute. While I don't like quotes that aren't actual quotes (e.g., who exactly said "it has always been like that"? NB rhetorical question) - again, while I don't like that sort'a stuff, I *do* have to agree I get this/your general vibe as well! I don't consider myself an Emacs expert - far from it. But I've been here for 10+ years, so I'm happy with my Emacs and my skill level. But this place still doesn't feel like home! That is strange. I'm not sure your analysis is correct why this is tho, but heck, it might be, or part of it at least. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal