Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87

Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87

[Budi]

How to change/set default height/size help window below mode line to
other than default which is half of full emacs window when the help is
invoked ?

On 5/25/19, help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org
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>    3. Re: Is Elisp really that slow? (Robert Thorpe)
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>       mailing	list bounces) (tomas@tuxteam.de)
>    5. Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces (tomas@tuxteam.de)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 19:17:48 +1000
> From: Van L <van@scratch.space>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces
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> <tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:
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>>> > Since they can't kill it directly, they
>>> > starve it. Spam (and the corresponding
>>> > anti-spam measures) are their allies in that.
>>>
>>> Tin foil hats on everyone :)
>>
>> Sometimes they are justified. Remember: just because
>> you're paranoid it doesn't mean that they aren't after
>> you :)
>
> The term of art is to jump the shark when it suddenly inevitably must
> appear.
>
> --
> ? 2019 Van L
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> Abdelaziz
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 19:46:18 +1000
> From: Van L <van@scratch.space>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: input to interactive M: key from text at point (was:
> 	help-gnu-emacs	Digest, Vol 198, Issue 83)
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> Budi <budikusasi@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> How to hook string/word at point to be as input interactive M-: key,
>> i.e. prompting Eval: on minibuffer ?
>
> Guessing that you have text you want to evaluate as elisp, try the
> following.
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> C-h f eval-region
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>
> What I do is select a region of elisp text and M-x eval-region.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> --
> ? 2019 Van L
> gpg using EEF2 37E9 3840 0D5D 9183  251E 9830 384E 9683 B835
>           "I don't believe any anything that the media say." - Ali
> Abdelaziz
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 11:54:04 +0100
> From: Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com>
> To: Stefan Huchler <stefan.huchler@mail.de>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow?
> Message-ID: <874l5ipzxv.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com>
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> Stefan Huchler <stefan.huchler@mail.de> writes:
>>
>> Does that make sense?
>
> I think it does.  So, there will be no timeout.  Instead Ctrl is sticky
> until the next key is pressed, but not after that.  I could see that
> working.
>
> BR,
> Robert Thorpe
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>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 13:54:53 +0200
> From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: the future of the computer world (was: Re: Google Gmail
> 	mailing	list bounces)
> Message-ID: <20190525115453.GB12528@tuxteam.de>
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> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:03:03AM +0200, Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
> wrote:
>> tomas wrote:
>>
>> >> ?#2: What do you mean "all the anti-patterns
>> >> of the pre-Internet age emerge all over
>> >> again." It sounds interesting anyway so do
>> >> tell...
>> >
>> > You had a fragmented landscape of "online
>> > services" [...]
>
>> Oh, no! That can't happen! I remember years ago
>> writing many times about the future all
>> interface-independent use of computer services.
>> Everyone could use everything, with their own
>> client(s) [...]
>
> Facebook bought whatsapp for $16 billion (that is 16 * 10^9 dollars).
> How do you think they are going to monetize it? By letting their users
> change providers painlessly?
>
> Likewise they bought instagram for $1 billion. They are /betting their
> farm/ on closed platforms. What do you think their shareholders think
> about e-mail?
>
> There's a huge financial incentive in poisoning the well (aka "open
> platforms") to sell bottled water.
>
> Cheers
> -- tom?s
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> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 07:17:48PM +1000, Van L wrote:
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> [...]
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>> >> Tin foil hats on everyone :)
>> >
>> > Sometimes they are justified [...]
>>
>> The term of art is to jump the shark when it suddenly inevitably must
>> appear.
>
>   <;-)
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> Cheers
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> Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 11:18:52 -0400
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
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>> You're saying this is not only incorrect, but the _opposite_
>> is happening?
>
> No he's just saying that this future has come and gone already.
>
>
>         Stefan
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 17:31:23 +0200
> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@posteo.net>
> To: oury.dustin@posteo.net
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Newbie with Gnus and posteo email setup
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> oury.dustin@posteo.net writes:
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>> I got it figured out a few days ago. But for now I may have to go slow
>> and learn how to configure gnus while using the webmail interface as I
>> go.
>>
>> Doing (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "posteo.de")) was the answer I
>> needed! Everything else can probably be learned by RTFM
>
> Alright! Good luck with the Gnus stuff, it seems to be THE thing for
> some people.
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"How to change/set default height/size help window [...]" (was: Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87)

[Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs]

Budi wrote:

> How to change/set default height/size help
> window below mode line to other than default
> which is half of full emacs window when the
> help is invoked ?

Use the source, Luke!

This sounds like the thing you should examine:

;;; Automatic resizing of temporary buffers.
(defcustom temp-buffer-max-height
  (lambda (buffer)
    (if (and (display-graphic-p) (eq (selected-window) (frame-root-window)))
	(/ (x-display-pixel-height) (frame-char-height) 2)
      (/ (- (frame-height) 2) 2)))
  "Maximum height of a window displaying a temporary buffer.
This is effective only when Temp Buffer Resize mode is enabled.
The value is the maximum height (in lines) which
`resize-temp-buffer-window' will give to a window displaying a
temporary buffer.  It can also be a function to be called to
choose the height for such a buffer.  It gets one argument, the
buffer, and should return a positive integer.  At the time the
function is called, the window to be resized is selected."
  :type '(choice integer function)
  :group 'help
  :version "24.3")

From: line 1077 @ /usr/share/emacs/25.1/lisp/help.el.gz

If you don't have the source on a Debian or
Debian-like system, get it with the
"emacs-el" package.

...

Wait - *I* don't have that package installed!
"State: not installed" Yet I have the source?!
How did that happen? :O

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Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87

[Xavier Maillard]

Hello Budi,

this is totally OT but would it be possible for you to undigestify or
at least to quote prior to sending messages here ?

That's not encouraging to answer to messages topic-less and with a big
digestified content.

THank you. 

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Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87

[Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs]

Xavier Maillard wrote:

> this is totally OT but would it be possible
> for you to undigestify or at least to quote
> prior to sending messages here ?
>
> That's not encouraging to answer to messages
> topic-less and with a big
> digestified content.

And also, what on earth is that? Who came up
with it, and why?

"help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87"

It sounds like a scientific publication series
always appearing in the exact same dull white
or gray format that no one will ever read but
will just fill up running meter after running
meter until it has collected so much dust
people start to develop asthma and must quit
there department commitment.

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Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87

[Jean Louis]

* Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> [2019-05-29 07:04]:
> Xavier Maillard wrote:
> 
> > this is totally OT but would it be possible
> > for you to undigestify or at least to quote
> > prior to sending messages here ?
> >
> > That's not encouraging to answer to messages
> > topic-less and with a big
> > digestified content.
> 
> And also, what on earth is that? Who came up
> with it, and why?
> 
> "help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87"

He receives emails in one daily digest, that is
how it appears.

Jean

Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87

[Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs]

Jean Louis wrote:

> He receives emails in one daily digest, that
> is how it appears.

Well, nothing wrong with that, that was the way
of the past.

But why not split and distribute the material
into several/separate files/mails?

Which could be done and was done even then?

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Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 198, Issue 87

[Xavier Maillard]

> Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 07:04:13 +0200
> From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> 
> Xavier Maillard wrote:
> 
> > this is totally OT but would it be possible
> > for you to undigestify or at least to quote
> > prior to sending messages here ?
> >
> > That's not encouraging to answer to messages
> > topic-less and with a big
> > digestified content.
> 
> And also, what on earth is that? Who came up
> with it, and why?

It is an option in the ML panel. It is especially useful for large
traffic lists.  It is up to the users to undigestify theses messages
when it enters their inbox. Dunno though if all MUA are capable of
this, at least, Rmail can.

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