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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, gregory@heytings.org, 51883@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#51883: 29.0.50; Command to get accidentally deleted frames back
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:41:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86a6fuxkz1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83mtjuwm8c.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 17 Jan 2022 15:00:35 +0200")

>> > I tried to use this, but undelete-frame-mode in the File menu
>> > makes no sense: when you mistakenly deleted a frame, you want
>> > to undelete it immediately, so you open the File menu, and
>> > see the message "No way, you can't undelete the deleted frame,
>> > because you were careless and not enabled a special mode".
>> >
>> > So the most useful case for this feature is to get the
>> > accidentally deleted frame back, and it fails to do this.
>> >
>> > Instead, it allows undeleting 16 frames in a special mode.
>> > Is there really a human that can delete 16 frames, and then
>> > remember what was on the 16th frame back?
>> >
>> > Rereading this thread indicates that the only concern about
>> > enabling this by default was the memory footprint for remembering
>> > 16 frames.  OTOH, this feature is really useful for remembering
>> > 1 frame.  So this is what should be enabled by default:
>>
>> It seems this is the right thing to do, so now pushed to master.
>
> I'm sorry, you cannot do that.  We discussed this at some length and
> reached certain conclusions.  Then you come and in effect say those
> considerations and discussions make no sense, and you know better?
> Let's please respect our discussions and decisions more than that.
> And if you want others to respect your opinions, please respect
> theirs, even if you disagree.  The feature as installed allows you to
> customize it to have that mode turned on by default, so you could
> easily fix your problem by doing that.
>
> Specifically to your main argument: it is no different from deleting a
> file: unless the user took steps to configure the system to allow
> undeleting deleted files, deleted files are lost forever.  Moreover,
> in the case of an Emacs frame, nothing of terrible importance is
> actually lost: the buffers displayed in that frame are still there,
> and restoring the deleted frame by hand shouldn't take more than a few
> moments.
>
> So I reverted this changeset.  Please in the future don't make such
> changes unilaterally.

This is not true.  This is not a unilateral change.  I posted a patch,
then waited for comments 3 days, and when no one commented this means
that everyone agreed that it's a more reasonable change, then pushed to
master.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-17 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-15 23:38 bug#51883: 29.0.50; Command to get accidentally deleted frames back Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-16  7:53 ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16  8:14   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-16 20:46   ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16  8:49 ` Visuwesh via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-11-16 20:20   ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16 15:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-16 17:05   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-16 17:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-16 21:29       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-17 10:02         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-17 13:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-17 17:06           ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-17 17:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19  9:00           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-19 12:17             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24  0:44               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 11:36                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 11:53                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 12:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 12:12                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 12:30                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-11-27 12:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 12:23                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 12:40                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 13:22                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 13:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 13:34                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 13:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 13:59                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:02                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 14:08                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:47                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 14:12                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 14:24                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:26                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 14:33                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:42                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 14:54                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 17:19                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-28 15:47                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-29 13:38                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-29 18:18                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-29 19:07                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-29 20:19                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-13  8:32                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-14  8:12                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-16 20:59                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-17  0:08                                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-01-17  8:24                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-17 13:00                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 18:41                                                                 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2022-01-17 18:51                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-18 18:30                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-19 18:37                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-19 20:17                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-12  2:44                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-01-10  8:13                                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 12:13                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-01-22 18:10               ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-21 17:52       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-22 18:08         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-22 21:26           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-23  9:11             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-23 16:01               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-23 18:12                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-23 21:26                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-24 18:12                     ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-24 18:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-25  9:28                         ` martin rudalics
2022-01-25 12:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-25 15:58                             ` martin rudalics
2022-01-27 17:21                               ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-27 17:27                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-27 17:48                                   ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-24 23:00                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-27 17:19                         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-30 16:39         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-30 16:59           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 17:17             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-30 18:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 20:49                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16 20:30   ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-17  4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-17 10:07   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-17 16:39   ` bug#51883: [External] : " Drew Adams

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