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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: sbaugh@catern.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Updating *Completions* as you type
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 21:20:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86a5shyw48.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o7gxwaxe.fsf@catern.com> (sbaugh@catern.com's message of "Tue,  17 Oct 2023 11:01:01 -0400")

> What if the concept of "current selected completion" was unified with
> "the default completion"?  This could be a nice, general UI.
>
> Specifically, with switch-to-buffer and a default of init.el:
>
> - If init.el is present in *Completions*, start out with point on it.
>   This would be purely a display nicety, it wouldn't actually affect
>   anything yet.  (This would be easy with my patch which I posted
>   elsewhere in this thread to preserve the location of point in
>   *Completions*)

I think preselecting the default value in the middle of completions
would make sense only when completions were sorted by the order of the
list of default values (from M-n M-n ...).  Then the first default value
would be at the top of completions, and it would easier for users
to navigate completions top-down.

> - If and when the user invokes minibuffer-next-completion:
>   - The default changes to whatever the new selected completion is
>   - The prompt text "(default init.el)" changes permanently to literally
>     "(default selected completion)"

Changing the prompt might interfere with such packages as minibuf-eldef.el
and other cases of customized minibuffer-default-prompt-format.
Also this might break commands that manually handle the default value
for empty input.

> - RET, as always, chooses the default if the minibuffer is empty; if the
>   user has done minibuffer-next-completion, the default is the selected
>   completion, so RET will choose that.
> - M-RET (minibuffer-choose-completion) is replaced with a new command
>   which immediately chooses the default, whatever it is, ignoring the
>   current contents of the minibuffer

What should RET do after the user navigated in *Completions* and
switched back to the minibuffer.  A different candidate is highlighted
in *Completions*, while the default value remains unchanged.

BTW, while looking at this case I found a problem with your first patch:
after navigating in *Completions* and switching back to the minibuffer
point is reset to the beginning of the *Completions* buffer.

> - C-u M-RET inserts the default in the the minibuffer, without exiting
>   (matching the behavior of C-u minibuffer-choose-completion)

Usually the default is inserted by M-n.

> I think this has some nice benefits in reducing the number of concepts
> people need to track.  If the minibuffer is empty, they can just use
> minibuffer-next-completion a few times followed by RET to select a
> completion, no need to use M-RET.  Plus, the new M-RET and C-u M-RET
> would be useful even to users who don't use minibuffer-next-completion.

It seems this is intended to solve the problem of a mismatch between
the highlighted candidate and the contents of the minibuffer?
Such problem exists, for example, in icomplete-mode where
RET returns the contents of the minibuffer, so a special key 'C-j'
is dedicated to select the highlighted candidate.  For selecting
a highlighted candidate from *Completions* such key is 'M-RET'.

> I also think this would make it less painful to set
> minibuffer-completion-auto-choose to nil, which matches
> completion-in-region better and also works much better with
> completions-auto-update.

Sorry, I don't understand how this would make
minibuffer-completion-auto-choose=nil less painful.

Since there is no concept of the default value for completion-in-region,
'M-RET' is the only way to choose the highlighted candidate.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-17 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-12 23:53 Updating *Completions* as you type sbaugh
2023-10-13  6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-13 18:01   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-14  7:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-14 19:26       ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]       ` <874jit2ef7.fsf@>
2023-10-14 19:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-14 16:51     ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-14 17:56       ` sbaugh
2023-10-14 19:51       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-13  6:34 ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-13 19:04   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-14 16:58     ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-14 20:05       ` sbaugh
2023-10-15  6:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-15 15:55           ` sbaugh
2023-10-16 11:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-16 14:50               ` Michael Albinus
2023-10-16 15:58                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-16 12:16             ` sbaugh
2023-10-17 18:23               ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-18 23:27                 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-15  7:32         ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-16 19:28           ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2023-10-17 18:38             ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-15 20:31         ` Eshel Yaron
2023-10-16  3:18           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-16 16:54           ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-17 13:48         ` sbaugh
2023-10-17 18:35           ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-17 22:57             ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-18  3:04               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-18  6:56               ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-18 12:25                 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-18 17:32                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-18 23:33                     ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-19  2:29                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-19  6:55                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-19 19:22                           ` sbaugh
2023-11-20  7:51                             ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-20 15:24                               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-20 17:47                                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-20 18:50                                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-21  7:58                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-21 12:40                                       ` sbaugh
2023-11-21 17:09                                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-21 20:45                                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-22  7:51                                             ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-22 16:11                                               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-23  7:58                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-23 12:36                                                   ` sbaugh
2023-11-24  7:58                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-25 16:44                                                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-25 18:31                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-26 13:33                                                           ` sbaugh
2023-11-27  7:28                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-28 14:38                                                               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-28 15:03                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-28 17:13                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-28 17:36                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-29  7:11                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-29 13:09                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-29 14:14                                                                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-29 14:54                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-29 15:21                                                                               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-29 15:52                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-29 19:17                                                                                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-30  6:12                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-30 12:33                                                                                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-30 14:10                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-28 23:56                                                                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-29  3:33                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-03 17:25                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-12-03 17:56                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-06 17:17                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-28 17:16                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-28 23:36                                                                   ` Turning completion table lambdas into symbols Spencer Baugh
2023-11-28 23:51                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-29 19:26                                                                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-12-01  0:36                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-29  7:18                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-21 12:54                                       ` Updating *Completions* as you type John Yates
2023-11-21 17:03                                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-21 22:27                                           ` John Yates
2023-10-20  6:49         ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-17 15:01       ` sbaugh
2023-10-17 18:20         ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2023-10-17 23:37           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-17 23:44             ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-18  6:51             ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-18 12:47               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-18 17:28                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-18 23:32                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-16  3:19   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-20  9:35   ` zcomplete Philip Kaludercic
2023-10-22 17:28     ` zcomplete Juri Linkov
2023-10-23  5:00       ` zcomplete Protesilaos Stavrou
2023-10-23  6:45         ` zcomplete Juri Linkov
2023-10-13 18:11 ` Updating *Completions* as you type Daniel Semyonov
2023-10-13 18:48   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-16  3:16     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-16  9:25       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-10-16 16:03         ` Drew Adams
2023-10-20  7:45           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-10-20 16:10             ` Drew Adams
2023-10-16 22:55         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-17  6:09           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-17  0:44 ` Michael Heerdegen

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