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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: felician.nemeth@gmail.com, 70036@debbugs.gnu.org, theo@thornhill.no
Subject: bug#70036: a fix that
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 17:32:24 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86a5lpbeyv.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALDnm51c0sUM+piRqxgq_t4f5mE-8ws0pbsyLPV1acg-oWsHBQ@mail.gmail.com> (message from João Távora on Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:23 +0100)

> From: João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:23 +0100
> Cc: Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no>, felician.nemeth@gmail.com, 70036@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 7:45 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks, but that is not what I asked to provide, for us to make a
> > decision in this case.
> > Could you please show benchmark times of the old code (before your
> > changes), the code after your changes, and the current code in Git
> 
> I just noticed this and think a comment needs to be made about Eglot
> and performance measurements specifically.
> 
> If a good `benchmark-run` or invocation can be made to measure a specific
> problem, it is usually a very good tool.  But in Eglot, it's rare (*)
> 
> What some in this discussion may not understand is that Eglot works mostly
> asynchronously.  The user invokes commands that ask something of the
> server and that server will later respond with something that is hopefully
> still relevant somehow.  On-the-fly diagnostics work like this, and even
> startup can be asynchronous.  So any slowdowns are usually felt subjectively
> in input lag across a session where the user is doing some work.
> 
> More often than not, there isn't a
> 
>   (benchamark-run 10 (eglot-foo <some-spoofed-arguiments>))
> 
> that can tell us something useful.  It's more like "I feel diagnostics take
> longer to appear", "ElDoc spins my CPU fan", "completions feel laggy", and
> things like that.

benchamark-run can be unusable in this case, but primitives that
measure time are still useful, even if one needs to insert some
special calls into the code that measure time.

> So that's why the best way to communicate these problems is via a profile
> accompanied by the usual bullet-proof Emacs -Q recipe.  It should contain a
> clear description of when profiler-start and profiler-stop are invoked, and
> what the user did in between.   And that's _exactly_  what Theo did here,
> and was useful to me: I reproduced his results perfectly.  Those profiles
> easily tell us who the hotspots are at the Elisp level.

The profiler is not very useful in such cases because it doesn't
provide a clear picture of the time it took some code to execute.
Also because typically there's a large portion of it that points to
irrelevant functions line execute-extended-command etc.





  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-19 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-27 19:08 bug#70036: 30.0.50; Move file-truename to the C level Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-27 21:56   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  1:14     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  3:05       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  7:04         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  7:03       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  6:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-28  7:03       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27 20:12 ` Felician Nemeth
2024-03-27 21:43   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  6:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-28  7:10       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  8:52         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 11:55         ` Felician Nemeth
2024-03-28 12:08           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30  9:46             ` Felician Nemeth
2024-03-30 11:18               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30 12:45               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-31 12:57                 ` Felician Nemeth
2024-03-31 13:32                   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28  9:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-28 10:59   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 11:18     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-28 11:41       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 11:51         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-28 12:47           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 13:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 15:32 ` bug#70036: a fix that João Távora
2024-04-18 15:39   ` João Távora
2024-04-18 15:40   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-18 15:45     ` João Távora
2024-04-18 15:49   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 16:11     ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-18 16:15       ` João Távora
2024-04-18 16:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 17:22           ` João Távora
2024-04-18 17:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 20:21               ` João Távora
     [not found]                 ` <874jbycrd7.fsf@dick>
2024-04-18 21:26                   ` João Távora
2024-04-18 21:37                     ` João Távora
2024-04-19  9:17                       ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-18 21:32                 ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-18 22:06                   ` João Távora
2024-04-18 23:59                     ` João Távora
2024-04-19  6:09                       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  6:26                         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  8:06                           ` João Távora
2024-04-19  9:05                             ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  8:01                         ` João Távora
2024-04-19  9:10                           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  9:22                             ` João Távora
2024-04-19  5:58                     ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  7:52                       ` João Távora
2024-04-19  9:14                         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19  6:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19  7:51                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-19 10:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-30 11:30                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-05-02  9:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19  8:27                       ` João Távora
2024-04-19  8:49                         ` João Távora
2024-04-19 11:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19 11:34                             ` João Távora
2024-04-19 18:13                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 18:59                                 ` João Távora
2024-04-19 19:42                                   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 11:01                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19 11:32                           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 11:40                             ` João Távora
2024-04-19 11:47                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 11:51                                 ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 12:01                                   ` João Távora
2024-04-19 11:51                                 ` João Távora
2024-04-19 20:23                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 21:32                                 ` João Távora
2024-04-19 11:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19 11:59                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 12:03                               ` João Távora
2024-04-19 12:00                           ` João Távora
2024-04-19 12:13                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19 12:20                               ` João Távora
2024-04-19  6:45                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-19  7:38                     ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-19 12:54                     ` João Távora
2024-04-19 14:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-04-19  0:57                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-04-19  1:20                   ` João Távora
2024-04-22 22:11                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-04-18 16:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 16:12     ` João Távora
2024-04-18 16:24       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 16:33         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-18 16:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-18 17:26           ` João Távora
2024-04-18 17:27         ` João Távora

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