From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 12:12:33 +0200 Message-ID: <86a5df67am.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86zflglu3h.fsf@aarsen.me> <86iks47qun.fsf@gnu.org> <865xo4h9w7.fsf@aarsen.me> <867c8k7aig.fsf@gnu.org> <861pyrg25r.fsf@aarsen.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28909"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 01 11:14:02 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tHgxm-0007O8-5z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 11:14:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHgwW-0002R9-Tr; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 05:12:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHgwU-0002P0-T8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 05:12:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHgwU-0005hj-7r; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 05:12:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=lAxSJyHa4++ZxqBeK3PSbA93IqTdSq3XlR/Un09fFCI=; b=gtWNgF0lyyZ7UXEoJKJQ mluBzbCa67g8DP40XOvRtI052tDvc+Bn8FUVPI4nRL9i67WM3+kDetV+2Ux4hLOYK0YDaXd/TyGRR giSqmeNG1NrAVoUA0hW34raKAk3zEx6osbWO3kWhHzPgQ7l+mJWu6Mfk8gX5PlUZYY1bBFiIRXCd0 tgfoES195Y2z3Z1TCNSTCHqWPHmgTQrcbeWdoYlCBnli+NoSKa0qQX+SIfKsM2be/9uAfD8/pCBhX MQZMnh3GiOB6hi+StYPKMn7P8QoMUuEZtU7B9meVQJVXueWwe2bIZGg2NYZfsZGSeAAPJwwbFxIPY RkRq9Yxkd7TfTw==; In-Reply-To: <861pyrg25r.fsf@aarsen.me> (message from Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arse?= =?utf-8?Q?novi=C4=87?= on Sun, 01 Dec 2024 10:53:20 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325915 Archived-At: > From: Arsen Arsenović > Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 10:53:20 +0100 > > > Anyway, the initiative for moving info.info to Emacs was from the > > Texinfo developers (I'm sure you can find the relevant discussions in > > the archives). So if you think it should be moved back, feel free to > > take it up with them. > > Yes, I've exchanged mail with Gavin about this before. I was using > info.info as an example of problems caused by packaging up unrelated > things together in this thread. > > In hindsight, I'd also not mind if info-stnd.texi contained a copy of > the Info tutorial that the Emacs info manual includes, so that the > standalone viewers get-info-help-node works always. What do you think > of that? Someone will have to do the job, and the non-traditional structure of info.info makes that a tad harder. There's also an additional problem for Emacs users: if info.info is not in Emacs, then new users of Info have no way of learning to use Info. So I guess this will have to be some kind of duplication or something?