From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai Grossjohann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How old are Emacs users? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:33:30 +0200 Message-ID: <868xciknw5.fsf@ketchup.de.uu.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177414462 28753 80.91.229.12 (24 Apr 2007 11:34:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:34:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 24 13:34:18 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HgJHm-0003Gb-BT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:34:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgJNH-0002ju-FR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:39:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HgJN2-0002jc-CD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:39:44 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HgJN0-0002jM-Vd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:39:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgJN0-0002jH-NP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:39:42 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HgJHU-0006mW-MG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:34:01 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HgJH7-0001jD-9h for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:33:46 +0200 Original-Received: from de-lt-054776l.eu.frd.uu.net ([62.191.185.105]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:33:37 +0200 Original-Received: from kai by de-lt-054776l.eu.frd.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:33:37 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: de-lt-054776l.eu.frd.uu.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.97 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:P8yjCb1PTHAdBlons02jdb8VYJo= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43061 Archived-At: 37, been using Emacs since 18.59, now using Eclipse for Java development. (With viPlugin! I can't stand the default Eclipse keybindings, nor their approximation of Emacs bindings. Without viPlugin, I'd go insane. viPlugin is not free software, though.) I resisted Eclipse for a long time, but now I find refactoring and quickfixes invaluable tools. Completion in Eclipse is much better than everything I've been able to obtain with Emacs + JDEE + ECB + the bovine tools. And the project navigation is really good, too, though the distance to Emacs is not that big. I started jde-quickfix.el (or was it jde-qfix.el?), but it remained a proof of concept, not having achieved real usefulness. It was too difficult to parse the Jave code to figure out how to edit it programmatically. Perhaps these days the bovinator provides more parsing information so it would be possible to edit the code. Or perhaps it would have been easier to parse the code myself than I thought. Indentation in Eclipse really sucks, though. Kai 30ish emacs user writes: > I'm wondering which age group most Emacs users fall into? How old are > you? I'm 32. > > I suppose most of the youngest generation were exposed to some kind of > graphical editor like Visual Studio or Eclipse and they find Emacs > alien (those who don't understand...) after using the former. > > The older generations were more probable to be exposed to vim or emacs > first and they "stuck" with it (know the advantages), not migrating to > graphical editor land. > > That's only an assumption and I'd like to verify it. Would you please > post your age if you're interested? The statistics could be > interesting. :)