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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
	Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Carbon port and multi-tty
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:42:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <868wymy07s.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wsm6a6p6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 07 May 2008 16:56:05 +0900")

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:

> YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu writes:
>
>  > But please understand that what I wanted to say is not about this
>  > particular single-line bug, but about mixing unrelated changes.
>
> Just get used to it; it's a part of life in distributed development of
> a project as large as Emacs, unless you're willing to do a *lot* more
> review than most people.  Heck, I can't even enforce compiling one's
> changes before committing.

It is not like we are applying the final layers of polish here.  We are
talking about Emacs 23 development.  I have to say that people who
_whine_ about other developers' work to support _their_ platform are not
on my list of favorites.  Large amounts of work for some programs go
into supporting things like compatibility with Windows or XEmacs or
similar where the developers themselves are not actually using the
platform in question.

Things like that often prove to be a time sink.  And being beraved for
good-faith efforts that would not have happened otherwise doesn't make
that more pleasant.

I can't really blame developers who decide to cut their losses in such a
situation, even though I find it sad.

Fortunately, with Emacs we have "native" developers for most platforms.
It appears that we don't have any with Carbon.  So it might make sense
for Carbon developers not willing to invest any time of theirselves to
remain constructive and polite, even more so than with platforms for
which active developers have a vested interest.

-- 
David Kastrup




  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-07  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-06 16:55 Carbon port and multi-tty Chong Yidong
2008-05-06 17:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-05-06 22:08 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07  1:58   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-07  2:36     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07  2:37       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07  3:13       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-07  3:18         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07  3:52           ` Nick Roberts
2008-05-07  4:01             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07  4:26               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-07  6:00             ` David Kastrup
2008-05-07  8:50             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-07  4:28           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-07  5:00             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07  5:55               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-07  6:10                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07  6:40                   ` David Kastrup
2008-05-07  6:47                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07  7:56                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-07  8:42                         ` David Kastrup [this message]
2008-05-07  9:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-07 10:05                             ` David Kastrup
2008-05-07 10:26                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-07 10:51                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-07 13:40                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-07 13:53                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08  8:44                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-08  8:56                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08 10:01                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08 10:11                                       ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08  9:53                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-09 11:13                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-07 10:07                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07 10:16                             ` David Kastrup
2008-05-07 10:32                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-07  7:15                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-08  0:21                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-08  1:03                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-08  1:25                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-08  2:07                       ` Stefan Monnier

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