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Dieter Wilhelm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:41:51 +0200 Message-ID: <868sif5zqo.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> References: <20200426172206.GC18629@ACM> <87y2qhnc9a.fsf@gmail.com> <20200427102311.GA4976@ACM> <87mu6xtano.fsf@gmail.com> <87k120ohsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87blnbir01.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="17584"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Emacs developers , Stefan Kangas , =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec , Juri Linkov To: Nicolas Goaziou Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 28 18:46:30 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTTNO-0004TA-3e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:46:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39202 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTTNM-0004rL-Td for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:46:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35326) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTTKp-0000Vo-Km for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:44:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTTJ3-0006Na-NI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:43:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.75]:48189) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTTJ2-0006ND-WF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:42:01 -0400 Original-Received: from ping ([92.116.151.118]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MdNTy-1iuPXH1whs-00ZO94; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:41:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87blnbir01.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:12:14 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:uF3E3Aaw23JP+chyuOLolcgexcKxvNS7fKQ3w5kW6MH6XelxCdv AyI5grZHNAPdRvHal8Npn/+rHW6vO4pTAbnz3VCoXIZobhOsXCByBDHrkngtA14w7lD8xs/ HvsNJNBQDddRy1dOySA75n1pIo+uiv8MV6O/iGNOz2YVUB4iRxRLUC/xlWBsz2rmTwypD89 1cF16YEtxkC0K1MfEd9Rg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:SVMWYuivaAM=:h0lf/juKQQHIMOpA3IMhWA JRbvSSBTGxJHdibDcVG6z60WzrhPUCG9JORhoa6Tk7Cym+upG7n1pOix4TCW38u4LqPr5fJ7o YloXgiloTDLpBreZOmwruQdSDzE7ejFapKS13PPy95oURFRvW/XsHtvS/sB7Rg69cMhs+hr4F kcbhGVqA6zCybZRENC4FagPWcml2/fijf5u+gesT6xIqj8ZFkTNs5OIyyoW/eEsMQ/FIbOhOK xbiuW8w+3aBwtfUjLhbxSb0lKjJMcISQlQWjhymHJm68RGaW9vgdofFRQyTbMGpM+kcoTs6DZ rYJkyILu5alO6jUVSoYOd4HvuOBZWC7ONXOcF7CofEvWXZkjpXicO1aZAjnZFiBx3hkU/5xk1 uPao0bZjc6J2HBoqdcQfaH2CeOuXyZIZKxPLFMwqJh5u3luqoYHtWi2srInX+7CXKPGuoTuBn DQKw94wtEI3KNuDE1yyEMvFHMTzYJODVHxTmYHvKWV6XNl1zwXBLZGS+O2wrJQtQKMqJL/O5R b+JKnVr3/GyYi/grck1+dboT44ieGMZiCg67HvQEN8zntSBIYqipeH1xZYeTGmAe0p1okrtnM Yjhmc4AvSBrrlfRJlK+RnQfwXTlEScMEV+QLslFmO9a5ibjqpwol4XgIdbiNfFYE9kyK7qq0G U38B0NW13c/Ex37uZ/xyjoBNPMEmZ2YBjXdL8zZfL239ifU2uCmTWw2gf9dTUGH1sN7v8AS4C KOhIhX/bxI3+PgN1IROqpVWPwfKsbDe+iKg1hhZuN3D8OATIAlWGQJaX2p0TT0In5rAmrnKa Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.72.192.75; envelope-from=dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de; helo=mout.kundenserver.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/28 12:41:57 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Received-From: 217.72.192.75 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248033 Archived-At: Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Hello, > > Juri Linkov writes: > >>> (Frustratingly, org-mode uses what I think of as the "old" convention >>> to use RET as "plain newline" and C-j as "smart newline with indent".) >> >> There are many things that are frustrating in org-mode. >> Many Emacs features are disabled in org-mode, and >> standard keys are redefined to behave in own way. >> > > As a side note, I'm positively sure Org developers would love help, or > better, code, to re-enable disabled Emacs features, and to give back > freedom to their users. > > I think most of these issues are historic artifacts no one dared, or > took time, to reconsider. What is a bit frustrating / confusing - even for me as a longtime org fan - is the changed behaviour of the paragraph keybindings M-h and M-{ M-}. Dieter -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Zwingenberg, Germany