From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Installing cond* in core Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:18:33 +0200 Message-ID: <868r495yo6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <868r4a6lbb.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36599"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 28 15:19:25 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rU60K-0009GD-CW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2024 15:19:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rU5ze-000250-UD; Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:18:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rU5zb-00024r-5R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:18:40 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rU5za-00046I-BM; Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:18:38 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=809RmEDiaW87H25IYUOfKDc211wAV3YjqYHMZq/R8M8=; b=Tgrejw95MyWM lrWtCS+cgqkVSZ23V5WPFUCVeOY51TqWQ9y/ho5lpbv19+mDqj5ErbeRwd0tzd1i1Ph03AdOC7f48 80dVA0Dzle1SmaWyaEGT/++Y8ANTfoaq5agmuob1abXA7ipAmWzOQM1mBGdEPrU9tZ46L9hsjONo+ aZ5DcYDAoGElY3sEH7lGVuTs6/xjRH08bwVfwA7DI+sgo2rkqyXZh1C6Q3ysokNH8RrDfp+zj+4kd ot4nAP1tGX1xEgPIGlVFj9qVfeq7BABesC6k53mgtIgaW0UV2bN4U+BmBfTg1H43hQtMNWwlaLTRu HQ4wV6iRWo71LWOIV4j1yA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:38:23 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315551 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:38:23 +0000 > Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > Please drop this attitude: it is not useful. In Emacs development, > > stuff is routinely "slipped into Emacs in the dead of the night > > without any public discussion", for better and for worse. > > Pretending it didn't happen and failing to discuss it is not healthy for > the project. That's not what I said. > Routine bug fixes, and uncontroversial stuff is committed without > discussion, yes. Those aren't the cases to which I alluded. > > I'm sure that if you examine the logs of your own changes, you will > > see many examples of that; I know I see that in mine and in most > > other's. > > I don't think I have ever intalled anything controversial without > discussing it on the list. The problem is that "controversial" is many times only evident in retrospect. > Controversial things should be discussed _before_ being committed to > master, before their designs are finalised, not afterwards. When we realize they are controversial, yes. Many times, they are not, and that's life.