From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70357: 30.0.50; loadup.el, load nadvice before seq Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 10:30:54 +0300 Message-ID: <868r1go0y9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <861q79ss2s.fsf@gnu.org> <87zftw7k23.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18377"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 70357@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Gerd =?UTF-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 14 09:32:16 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rvuLY-0004aL-D3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 09:32:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rvuLD-0005cT-Ax; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 03:31:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rvuLB-0005cK-7E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 03:31:53 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rvuLA-0001lj-VG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 03:31:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rvuLL-0005c6-Oa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 03:32:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 07:32:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 70357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 70357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B70357.171307988421235 (code B ref 70357); Sun, 14 Apr 2024 07:32:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 70357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Apr 2024 07:31:24 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34212 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rvuKh-0005WB-Hv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 03:31:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41784) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rvuKY-0005Tk-QV for 70357@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 03:31:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rvuKH-0001VZ-4r; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 03:30:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=cuS9OD/Rx5+NxDFU9UnqEHeE1V45fGe9nSk+gP6GNm0=; b=pNZc11k8WWVWZIZLc7d3 sig1g5arrAC3JxutJwOR/xCA7MxQCcL0Z7fyxp7x1urSL0gMbGekcR9kwXdG2HHW4moHLCWS+WYI3 14qWsYVAscRjKllPLld2NZ1xmM8OIL6rwxjMcNfmTD7QN6Bxmwkkchhh8rIPiI3P9Htz5yR30t3gz 5NDwVeVLOTxogLE4kGos/rPLq0gSsw7KSrxYFDHEYI4D8tygxNkX08mSSgmdf1Az6BaMIo5CxmrWa DEP7XX4NxvrV//QDSH4pOStAFCmqLeTApGj1VpjKvAm4MjiZ79zVimTw04Zp+mxMtBB696NVud45z BDr82zN3h/m8BA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Gerd =?UTF-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= on Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:26:04 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:283254 Archived-At: > From: Gerd Möllmann > Cc: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of > text editors" , Stefan Monnier > , Eli Zaretskii , > 70357@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:26:04 +0200 > > What Stefan said about the different behaviour when some files are > compiled and others are not, is, I guess, what I see here. Sometimes > things work, sometimes they don't. Eli's attempt to reproduce the > problem also shows that, I think. Hence my thought if it wouldn't be an > idea to ignore .elcs when dumping bootstrap-emacs.pdmp. It doesn't help > with circular dependencies, but at least it is easier to reproduce when > it happens. If we load only *.el files into bootstrap-emacs, then bootstrap-emacs will be much slower. And since it is used to compile many Lisp files, the net effect will be to make the build (not just bootstrap, but _every_ build) slower. This is a serious disadvantage from where I stand. So I hope we can find a better way of fixing this. Especially since the problem seems to be marginal and rare, so punishing everyone because of it doesn't sound TRT to me.