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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Suhail Singh <suhailsingh247@gmail.com>
Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, suhailsingh247@gmail.com, 73046@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#73046: 29.4; Emacs 100% CPU usage for several seconds when opening dired buffer over TRAMP
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 14:50:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <868qvypfyh.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87plpb6luu.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Suhail Singh on Tue, 10 Sep 2024 21:05:29 -0400)

> From: Suhail Singh <suhailsingh247@gmail.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  suhailsingh247@gmail.com,
>   73046@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 21:05:29 -0400
> 
> Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> writes:
> 
> > Tramp used a non-zero timeout in the past. This was removed some years
> > ago, I don't remember the reason.
> 
> The timeout in tramp-accept-process-output was disabled in commit
> 54ef338ba3670415cf47fabc33a92d4904707c7e .  The commit mentions
> bug#61350 , however, it's not clear (based on briefly skimming the
> discussion there) that this change was ever necessary.  If not, should
> the timeout be reintroduced?

I think Michael just did (see below).

> IIUC, we're still actively waiting for the output from the remote host,
> but simple not _exclusively_ doing so thanks to the `sit-for'.  Is my
> understanding correct?

When we call sit-for, we yield the CPU for whatever other jobs are
waiting, so we don't hog the processor.

> If so, isn't there some mechanism to specify a
> continuation that's run once the TRAMP process produces output?  Such a
> mechanism shouldn't require a `sit-for' to yield control.

How would that help?  Tramp must still wait for the response to
proceed with what it does.

> In other words, isn't it possible to do both font-locking and getting
> the response over ssh concurrently (of the main thread, as well wrt each
> other)?

Every Lisp program runs in a single thread, so how can that be done in
parallel?

> If not, are there technical challenges in doing so, or simply that
> it's not been implemented (and thus, possibly, we may not know what
> the challenges are)?

Emacs doesn't support parallel processing, because introducing this
into the original single-threaded design is very hard at best, due to
a huge global state.  We have Lisp threads, but only one thread can
run at any given time.

> > Pushed to master
> 
> Thank you.  I can test this (applied onto 29.4) later in the week along
> with the `dired-font-lock-keywords' patch and report back.

Thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-11 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-05 14:24 bug#73046: 29.4; Emacs 100% CPU usage for several seconds when opening dired buffer over TRAMP Suhail Singh
2024-09-05 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-05 21:04   ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-06  5:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-06 13:23       ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-06 13:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-06 14:09           ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-06 16:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-06 17:47               ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-06 19:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-07  0:19                   ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-07  1:39                     ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-07  6:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-07  8:07                       ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-07 14:36                       ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-07 15:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-07 17:35                           ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-08 11:30                             ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-08 11:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-08 15:26                                 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-08 15:41                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-08 16:46                                     ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-08 17:53                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-10  8:10                                     ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-11  1:05                                       ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-11 11:50                                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-09-11 16:29                                           ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-11 16:38                                             ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-11 17:25                                               ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-12 11:48                                                 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-11 14:13                                         ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-11 15:56                                           ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-13 23:17                                       ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-14  6:24                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-14 14:25                                           ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-14 14:41                                             ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-14 15:03                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-14 22:36                                               ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-15  5:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-15 14:23                                                   ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-20  9:54                                               ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-20 10:47                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-20 14:18                                                 ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-20 15:35                                                   ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-20 15:42                                                     ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-21  8:30                                                     ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-21 14:06                                                       ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-14  7:07                                         ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-14 14:39                                           ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-20  8:48                                             ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-11 14:06                         ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-07 14:22                     ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-07 17:58                       ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-08 11:26                         ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-08 15:09                           ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-08 15:19                             ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-08 15:34                               ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-08 16:35                                 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-11 16:19                                   ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-06 16:56             ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-06 16:01         ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-06 15:46       ` Suhail Singh
2024-09-06 15:52       ` Suhail Singh
     [not found] <87v7yz1sw8.fsf@rutgers.edu>
2024-09-13 15:47 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-20 16:05   ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-20 17:11     ` Jake Nelson via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-21  6:59       ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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