From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: bob@rattlesnake.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: NEWS.22: `allows' without an object
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:13:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <867iqrx4qd.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1Hsz0h-0027M2C@rattlesnake.com> (Robert J. Chassell's message of "Tue\, 29 May 2007 10\:33\:03 +0000 \(UTC\)")
"Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com> writes:
> As Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> says, "allow" needs a direct object,
>
> > This version of `movemail' allows you to read mail from a wide range of
> > ^^^
>
> I think "allows reading mail" is also okay, and doesn't require "you".
>
> `Reading' serves (or maybe the object is the whole phrase, `reading
> mail' -- I don't know.)
>
> I did not know. That explains a great deal.
>
> As Alan Mackenzie says, this instance needs `the person or thing being
> empowered'. On its own, in English, the phrase `to read' fails.
>
> The English is confusing. It may be that you can only comfortably
> learn this kind of construction when very young.
>
> You could write, `enables reading mail', too; that makes more sense.
Actually, I find that "enables" is suffering from a similar degree of
awkwardness. I'd probably use "facilitates reading mail ..." instead:
this is an enabled-object-free verb, though a bit more pompous. More
closely related to "allows" would be "permits reading"; this is
simpler than "facilitates", though, like "allows", slightly wrong as
this is not a question of permission.
> Before Eli Zaretskii made this observation, I had not noticed the
> distinction between gaining permission and gaining an ability, but
> it is there and important. After all, we are not talking about
> humans getting permission from the `movemail' code, as `allow'
> suggests, but gaining from it the power to act.
I should read postings to their end before replying. Saves time.
--
David Kastrup
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-29 11:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-28 21:17 NEWS.22: `allows' without an object Robert J. Chassell
[not found] ` <2cd46e7f0705281639m4e06b938sd0fbcc6d710812dc@mail.gmail.com>
2007-05-28 23:41 ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-29 3:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29 8:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-29 9:51 ` David Reitter
2007-05-29 19:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29 10:33 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-29 11:13 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-05-29 16:00 ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-29 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-29 8:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
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