From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-*
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:09:12 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <867ict8awn.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 485298A4.30000@gnu.org
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:56:20 +0100 Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org> wrote:
JR> Ted Zlatanov wrote:
>> It really looks unpleasant in the font recorded here, taking up two rows
>> so the accent can be displayed alone on top of the letter, so I'm
>> curious if Emacs will pick the right appearance if the font has an
>> accented version of the character.
JR> No. There are no unicode codepoints for those accented characters
JR> AFAICS so we can't do the substitution within Emacs. The only way to
JR> combine them would be if the font contained GSUB (glyph substitution)
JR> tables with entries for those sequences of characters, and Emacs had
JR> been told to use font-shape-text for displaying Cyrillic (currently it
JR> is only used for Indic and some South East Asian scripts, but should
JR> be for Arabic as well). The library that Emacs uses for shaping
JR> (libotf/m17n-flt or on Windows uniscribe) might need some knowledge of
JR> those accented characters as well, I'm not entirely sure of how glyph
JR> shaping all fits together.
I understand better now. I'll work without composition. How do I
generate composed characters for Quail mappings? I couldn't figure it
out with compose-chars.
I found accented a and o in the Latin-1 map, and accented u (у) is not
available by itself. I'd like to get the accented у character for
completeness, but Latin-* only has an accented y with the accent going
in the wrong direction (ý). It's probably more proper to do the
Cyrillic аоu(у) as composed characters, but I don't know.
Accented e and i were in the Cyrillic map and look fine. These accented
characters are rare enough that it doesn't matter; in common usage only
ѝ is found (in Bulgarian, at least). The others are used only if the
writer wants to emphasize which syllable to stress upon pronunciation,
as in a dictionary, AFAIK.
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:11:19 +0300 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>> I'll be glad to implement the Quail changes if they are OK with
>> everyone. I didn't go ahead and implement them because I'm not familiar
>> with any existing conventions; maybe there's a reason why they have not
>> been added yet.
EZ> Please go ahead. In my experience, most omissions in the input
EZ> methods are not intentional, they are just because no one cared enough
EZ> to include them.
Thanks. I did:
* quail/cyrillic.el: Add quotation marks, paragraph symbol, angled
brackets, number symbol, and accented aeio to cyrillic-translit.
The quotation marks are both ‚‘ and „“ (plus «» which are also common).
Let me know if I've missed anything.
I can add these to the other cyrillic-* methods if people think it's
useful.
Thanks
Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-06-13 18:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-13 14:27 composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-* Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-13 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-13 15:56 ` Jason Rumney
2008-06-13 18:09 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2008-06-14 9:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-14 18:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-06-14 19:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-18 20:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-19 11:45 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-02 20:25 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-03 2:29 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-03 19:53 ` adding consistent extra symbols to input methods (cyrillic-*, croatian-*, slov*, czech-* etc.) input methods Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-05 12:54 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-06 18:40 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-06 22:54 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-10 0:09 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 0:37 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-10 0:52 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 1:44 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-10 1:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-10 0:27 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 1:16 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-10 18:43 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-11 2:52 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-07 1:57 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-07 4:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-07 5:25 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-07 19:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-07 22:05 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-13 5:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-13 5:17 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-13 21:27 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-14 3:18 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-14 4:43 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-14 21:51 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-15 1:24 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-28 13:30 ` multiple input methods (was: adding consistent extra symbols to input methods) Juri Linkov
2008-07-06 18:41 ` composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-* Juri Linkov
2008-07-07 20:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-07 21:42 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-08 0:48 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-08 10:46 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-07-08 21:47 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-08 15:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-08 17:38 ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 22:54 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 16:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 18:02 ` James Cloos
2008-07-09 18:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 19:51 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 18:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 19:33 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 22:14 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 23:52 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 12:47 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 18:45 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 19:10 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 19:52 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 20:40 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 22:01 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-12 20:51 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-14 14:01 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-14 21:47 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-15 15:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-15 20:32 ` Juri Linkov
2008-08-01 21:07 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-05 21:00 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-05 22:05 ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-10 22:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-10 22:54 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-11 1:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-11 2:08 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-09 19:21 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-08 15:49 ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 18:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-08 19:50 ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 20:26 ` composed characters question and suggestions for?quail-cyrillic-* Teemu Likonen
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