From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 08:43:03 +0200 Message-ID: <867cjnz7rc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874jetaxri.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86fryc1vsh.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1c398u8.fsf@jeremybryant.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27462"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: justin@burkett.cc, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jeremy Bryant Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 02 07:44:02 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rVnHN-0006ww-Uq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 07:44:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVnGW-0002lL-1f; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 01:43:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVnGU-0002ky-GQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 01:43:06 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVnGT-0007ub-MX; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 01:43:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=SbIzHHjijwF48p2KMfS/3vtLhP/RR8L3lPnoH3h0Eho=; b=KeDVW5v0L/d0 kkKVmXbldZWn1iqbF+wd/Us0KFBTPG+mijFT6RF5QtdCZxWyag6D1r6fIEqCFY2EH4QQ4t7XiBZvg eHvVcApz4+loJKUYM+OQCm0A+D359nPXyIPtFFjKBC2wJhI5HzhFyfNfyfao9ncE6W+/Sm1beP2zV eiRzPw0pfJxZqLC7brMiDjEBsFZFvT2pQhD8drc/uX3Ijh1EWHG2qw7ffHfF9VxVxVQJ4QroNm7nY da69lNtVm0ojW9+xUL56nDbtGf2kv5BrPMaZ0j6qrah5Vz81nEZaqixhRPaJzh5n1M522RZccHmzJ hTE0VP8Xkcuj4kKIU9uong==; In-Reply-To: <87y1c398u8.fsf@jeremybryant.net> (message from Jeremy Bryant on Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:16:43 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315737 Archived-At: > From: Jeremy Bryant > Cc: justin@burkett.cc, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:16:43 +0000 > > >> Here is a suggestion - include which-key in core and potentially enable > >> by for new users. > > > > How do we detect "new users"? > > Good question, how about a user entry on the splashscreen? I don't think I understand, please elaborate. Do you mean we will ask users to say, up front, that they consider themselves "new users", each time they start a new Emacs session? > > If we include which-key, but do not enable it by default, would that > > be good enough? > > Yes. > How can I help with this? > > Move the .el files from the ELPA package into lisp/ ? > Manual entry- ? Something like that. Philip and Stefan will be able to describe the details. > > Another idea is to add a feature whereby, after some delay after the > > user types an incomplete key sequence, the buffer usually popped by > > C-h or '?' pops up automatically. This would be a smaller change in > > the UX, which might therefore be more easily acceptable even by > > not-so-new users. > > Interesting, which buffer and part of the code is this? > (it seems to appear in *Help*) Yes, it appears in *Help*, and is produced by describe-prefix-bindings (via prefix-help-command).