From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving packages out of core to ELPA Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:06:07 +0200 Message-ID: <867cj1sz0g.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h6i6y2ch.fsf@yahoo.com> <86msrys0qj.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13528"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jdtsmith@gmail.com, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 18 14:06:53 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rbgsd-0003HM-A9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:06:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbgs0-0007yD-Tp; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:06:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbgrz-0007y0-Ix for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:06:11 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbgrz-0005kl-7h; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:06:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=XlowEj1VuYjc1U+3PkGHMlM/h/cwz7PdAaWleUw4eV8=; b=CJsSwDLBRZsGuojli7da Q5bPyVLquHm+UfI8ZYH/Qsuc+aqQ33Rqpv9yLSlJZYTcCTcZYbXa66tduKp3vY1ZuuN5BLgPdrPL3 O7YJiKJd8zrqXVHe8DzceyNxZu93GSGoK/n4ViKd//eTIBzD/0dIl9DVgkv7SO/AI3NXi7Gp49UD8 0yA65ad7Y4l1ESDg7+MO0OyROT44EMsq1nmZzAhJv9bJ74eP1EWsv32cSwTRg3NYQJrZYKSpna+Ia D0C1y+hrvz6w9isFuyWE4m/2qKWhtYeuuhljkF/ZzczbrP72jO8COycrEH+r2NMuNOC9KePJKHkzY AqknNMRUZ6W5dQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:19:05 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316306 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:19:05 +0200 > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > > On 18/02/2024 09:14, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >>>> It deserves support in Emacs. Just not, IMO, in core. > >>> Why not? Why does_anything_, to speak nothing of a package already in > >>> core, not "deserve" support in core, while deserving support in ELPA? > >> Because in ELPA, users must proactively opt-in to the use of the package. For such users — those who have actively sought it out — in stark contrast to the vast majority of Emacs users, the benefits dramatically outweigh the costs. > > The costs are minuscule, so it isn't worth considering them in such > > cases. > > Those who say that the costs of maintenance is tiny, seem to have missed > the simple statement They did?