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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Brennan Vincent" <brennan@umanwizard.com>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a mechanism for passing unibyte strings from lisp to modules.
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:12:34 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <867cehgdn1.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o77t6lyn.fsf@taipei.mail-host-address-is-not-set> (brennan@umanwizard.com)

> From: "Brennan Vincent" <brennan@umanwizard.com>
> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:22:56 -0400
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Why can't you have the module code itself read the file, instead of
> > getting the bytes from Emacs?  Passing large amounts of bytes from
> > Emacs to a module is a very inefficient way of talking to modules
> > anyway, because Emacs is not optimized for moving text to and fro in
> > the shape of Lisp strings.  To say nothing of the GC pressure you will
> > have in your mode, due to a constant consing of strings.  It is best
> > to avoid all that to begin with.
> 
> Of course it's possible to do that, but I wanted to write my mode in
> elisp as much as possible and keep the C side minimal, simply because I
> find elisp a much more enjoyable language to use. But if
> you are opposed to adding this code I can go with that approach.
> 
> Another possibility which would avoid adding specifically
> unibyte-related surface area to the modules API would be to create an
> extended version of copy_string_contents which can take any coding
> system, rather than forcing UTF-8.
> 
> Would you be open to such an approach? If so, I will send an updated patch.

I very much dislike the idea of letting modules deal with unibyte
strings, for the reasons I explained.  Basically, it will open a large
Pandora box by allowing people who don't know enough about the
subtleties of unibyte strings in Emacs to write buggy modules which
will crash Emacs.

But let's hear the other co-maintainers.  Stefan and Andrea, what is
your POV on these issues?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-22 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-21 18:13 [PATCH] Add a mechanism for passing unibyte strings from lisp to modules Brennan Vincent
2024-06-21 18:13 ` Brennan Vincent
2024-06-21 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-21 20:14   ` Brennan Vincent
2024-06-22  6:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]       ` <87o77t6lyn.fsf@taipei.mail-host-address-is-not-set>
2024-06-22 16:12         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-06-23 21:15           ` Andrea Corallo
2024-06-24 11:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-25 17:36               ` Brennan Vincent
2024-06-26 12:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-26 12:39                   ` tomas
2024-06-26 13:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-26 13:33                       ` tomas
2024-06-26 14:32                         ` Brennan Vincent
2024-06-26 15:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-26 15:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-27  3:36                           ` Brennan Vincent
2024-06-27  6:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii

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