Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other

[Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>]

> From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2024 14:56:14 +0200
> 
> Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> writes:
> 
> > Christopher Dimech wrote:
> >> The best education one can get today is by self discovery.
> 
> I tried that while at school. Luckily my teachers trusted my skills
> enough to let me step out of chemistry class for half a year and learn
> by myself. And prove my knowledge afterwards.
> 
> My takeaway was:
> 
> I could learn Chemistry myself. It worked.
> But it took three times as much time as learning it in school.
> 
> So, having actual, tested experience with both styles of learning,
> I disagree. As long as your teachers are somewhat competent, learning in
> school is far more efficient than learning only by self discovery.
> 
> And if you take it seriously, you develop deeper understanding than when
> you only do self discovery (and take that as seriously).
> 
> >>> Okay, then everyone should know this is a controversial
> >>> thing to say. No one, or very few, would recommend Emacs
> >>> Lisp as an alternative to Python 2024.
> 
> Having gone from Python to Guile Scheme around 2013, I also disagree ☺
> 
> But having said that: I do consider indentation style code more readable
> than using mostly parentheses.
> 
> After reading people say things like
> 
> «allows people to see code how Lispers perceive it. Its structure
>  becomes apparent.»,
> «it makes Scheme way more “approachable”», and
> «I have actually found it insanely useful to getting stuff done»,
> 
> I think I have a point.
> 
> > I don't know the details of the history but I doubt it
> > happened that way.
> 
> There is a thread of thoughts by Beka Valentine from just these days
> about how hackers tend to mix up who got popular with who is better,
> because they don’t like to accept that languages usually do not grow
> widespread by Logical Truth. I suggest reading that, before continuing
> this discussion.
> 
> https://rollenspiel.social/@beka_valentine@kolektiva.social/112905007985491839

This is off-topic here, please use the emacs-tangents list instead.

Thanks.