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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323193 Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 29 2024, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On the one hand, you can't just change the whole community "just like tha= t": > people gravitate towards languages for reasons (I must admit I cringe mys= elf > when I see those threaded macros, but then, my excursions into those newer > functional languages have never really worked). Most people are here beca= use > they like things as they are. Yes, I think that's very much the point. It's more a matter of taste than anything else. And taste for a large part depends on what one is used to. When I first encountered Clojure, I quite disliked it. And threading macros? You'd have to be out of your mind to write code like that... But at some point, I decided to learn Clojure and I must admit, I really like the language. It's different than Elisp for sure, but things that irked me initially, I came to like eventually, because I started to see why they were designed the way they are. (I'd actually love to do more with Clojure, TBH...) Still, that doesn't mean I think Elisp should become more like Clojure, of course. (I'm actually neutral on that point.) I think the current situation, with the seq library and thread-{first|last} available in core, and dash.el readily available from GNU ELPA, is a good compromise. (And, to the OP: from your perspective, probably the "best" you're gonna get. =F0=9F= =98=89) --=20 Joost Kremers Life has its moments