From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 22:05:27 +0200 Message-ID: <867c8k7aig.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86zflglu3h.fsf@aarsen.me> <86iks47qun.fsf@gnu.org> <865xo4h9w7.fsf@aarsen.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16391"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 30 21:06:30 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tHTja-00048N-BO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 21:06:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHTil-00081e-Uu; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 15:05:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHTik-00081I-Mw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 15:05:38 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHTij-0002YC-ID; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 15:05:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=7uAjwHsGdL2A/uG/WDPgMx0OLByi5oAQayPi9+fo/Z0=; b=E0ag/C+qoERQ+2uHdEqt JjHN3/LaR1KDrVwOZWORKzhdNOLr70d2g4MgA5vlqf7ePZ7V+EChOYX7qjPgBhtbjShsl8kvOtpPc quT3wFiJoAlSEZNjGk/CGFwQd2yeBG6y7gF0+rOrLirsy4BWkNokb4hMjuFfIgmlyI2X7FQfa4kaD b9KL5dkWrluMcqqAjXV2SP0/aruK/dEpHOQ+h4TY739Fg+7QMFdccc2N/OuvDLmaVJJGXdeA4OjD7 kfbc020nU06e5GIaF9nplyozrWaCggN6nig7NZub7odJL4gGzuoy4bVJ/gFNHxWoLZc2W8jqPk+5H fvEbQS3rwz4oSQ==; In-Reply-To: <865xo4h9w7.fsf@aarsen.me> (message from Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arse?= =?utf-8?Q?novi=C4=87?= on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:08:40 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325891 Archived-At: > From: Arsen Arsenović > Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:08:40 +0100 > > > So I don't see how that move could damage the reputation of Texinfo. > > Emacs is extremely niche, while reading the documentation of various GNU > packages is not. Ergo, we recommend people to read documentation using > info (see e.g. help2man generated output) - as we should. Actually, I believe most people read the HTML version of the Texinfo documentation. > > Do you have any information to suggest that many people use the > > stand-alone reader? > > Do you have information to suggest that many people use the in-Emacs > reader? I certainly do use it, so we can put that a mark on the > chalkboard. I think Emacs users use Emacs (of course), and the rest read the manuals in their HTML format. I have yet to see a number of people who use the stand-alone reader that cannot be counted on the fingers of a single hand. (And don't misunderstand me: I think the stand-alone Info reader is great, and personally invested quite a few efforts in developing and porting it. My Windows port of Texinfo, routinely available from the ezwinports site, is one of a couple, perhaps even the only one, which includes a fully functional Windows port of the stand-alone Info reader.) Anyway, the initiative for moving info.info to Emacs was from the Texinfo developers (I'm sure you can find the relevant discussions in the archives). So if you think it should be moved back, feel free to take it up with them.