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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Arsen Arsenović" <arsen@aarsen.me>
Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal:  Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 22:05:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <867c8k7aig.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <865xo4h9w7.fsf@aarsen.me> (message from Arsen Arsenović on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:08:40 +0100)

> From: Arsen Arsenović <arsen@aarsen.me>
> Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net,  emacs-devel@gnu.org,  rms@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:08:40 +0100
> 
> > So I don't see how that move could damage the reputation of Texinfo.
> 
> Emacs is extremely niche, while reading the documentation of various GNU
> packages is not.  Ergo, we recommend people to read documentation using
> info (see e.g. help2man generated output) - as we should.

Actually, I believe most people read the HTML version of the Texinfo
documentation.

> > Do you have any information to suggest that many people use the
> > stand-alone reader?
> 
> Do you have information to suggest that many people use the in-Emacs
> reader?  I certainly do use it, so we can put that a mark on the
> chalkboard.

I think Emacs users use Emacs (of course), and the rest read the
manuals in their HTML format.  I have yet to see a number of people
who use the stand-alone reader that cannot be counted on the fingers
of a single hand.  (And don't misunderstand me: I think the
stand-alone Info reader is great, and personally invested quite a few
efforts in developing and porting it.  My Windows port of Texinfo,
routinely available from the ezwinports site, is one of a couple,
perhaps even the only one, which includes a fully functional Windows
port of the stand-alone Info reader.)

Anyway, the initiative for moving info.info to Emacs was from the
Texinfo developers (I'm sure you can find the relevant discussions in
the archives).  So if you think it should be moved back, feel free to
take it up with them.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-30 20:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-30 12:56 Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Jeremy Bryant
2024-11-30 13:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-30 13:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 14:12   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:08     ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 20:05       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-11-30 21:09         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01  6:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02  3:00             ` Texinfo reputation (was: Re: [External] : Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Max Nikulin
2024-12-02 12:47               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03  2:51                 ` Texinfo reputation Max Nikulin
2024-12-03 12:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 18:51               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  4:56                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05  7:45                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-06  4:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-01  9:53         ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 10:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 10:54             ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 13:04         ` Johan Myréen
2024-12-04  6:09           ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  4:02   ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01  7:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  8:36       ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 10:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 11:13           ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:30         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  7:25         ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: " Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  7:46           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  8:52             ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05  9:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  9:49                 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 11:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 11:28                     ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 12:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 12:39                         ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 14:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-15  8:26                             ` Visuwesh
2024-12-08  8:13                           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes, " James Thomas
2024-12-08  8:38                             ` James Thomas
2024-12-08 11:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 20:10                               ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                               ` <87zfl60wbw.fsf@>
2024-12-08 20:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11  4:32                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:54                                   ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                   ` <87msgzp2a9.fsf@>
2024-12-14 19:11                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16  4:02                                     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                               ` <86msh5b48w.fsf@gmx.net>
2024-12-10  1:08                                 ` James Thomas
2024-12-05 10:06             ` Stephen Berman
2024-12-05 15:07             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 16:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  4:58           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-09 22:49             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-11  4:35               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02  4:10   ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 12:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 23:03       ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-04 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-04 22:58           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-05  5:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-07 13:30               ` Improving info-look.el for (c) -was- " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 15:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  5:03           ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 10:44               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 12:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 22:40                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-05 20:35               ` chad
2024-12-06  4:57               ` Visuwesh
2024-12-06 10:42               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 14:58             ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-06 16:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:41                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-08  5:15               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08  7:15                 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-08 16:50                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-11  4:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-12  3:22                     ` Debian package with GNU manuals (was: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref) Max Nikulin
2024-12-04 20:02         ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Suhail Singh
     [not found]           ` <87wmgf9h70.fsf@jeremybryant.net>
2024-12-04 23:52             ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 13:21               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-08 20:44                 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07  4:22           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-07 12:29             ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 14:55             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <87h67fr18v.fsf@>
2024-12-10  5:38               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:44                 ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                 ` <87r06bp2qm.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:19                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-15  6:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16  4:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 20:07     ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]     ` <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@>
2024-12-07 16:02       ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-08  5:10       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 20:07         ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-09 15:11         ` Improve access to documentation in Info format (was: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Suhail Singh
2024-12-11  4:37           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-11 14:13             ` Improve access to documentation in Info format Suhail Singh
2024-12-13 23:41             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <87v7vnp2vx.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:16               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-16  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <874j3e2b2i.fsf@>
2024-12-11  4:32           ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 23:03 ` John ff

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