From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: steinab@ifi.uio.no (Steinar =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F8rmer?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:51:40 +0100 Organization: :noitazinagrO Message-ID: <8664zmk01f.fsf@pallotta.studby.uio.no> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111319809 21717 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2005 11:56:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 12:56:48 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCz2g-0005yf-GH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:56:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCzJZ-0001Av-0y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:13:53 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed.news.tiscali.de!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!tsicnews.teliasonera.com!news.banetele.no!uio.no!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 22 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ti400720a081-13701.bb.online.no Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1111319362 21033 85.164.245.133 (20 Mar 2005 11:49:22 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:49:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:T9bOfBUpc9gH4DjAtvCDEOT2Wus= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129466 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25022 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25022 Eli Zaretskii wrote: | > From: PT | > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:52:33 +0100 | | > At least that's what the newbies tell me. ("Emacs? You have to know | > a lot of long key combinations to use it. Too complicated.") | | Whoever says that should be pointed to the menus. I'd expect newbies | to know that alredy, and use the menus (and most modern computer users | are menu-bar kind of people anyway). In fact, on startup GNU Emacs says: "You can do basic editing with the menu bar and scroll bar using the mouse". Clearly visible as line two of the splash screen. If you miss that, then you're not trying very hard to learn your new tool. -- SB