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Dieter Wilhelm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 21:15:27 +0200 Message-ID: <865zcxui0g.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> <70bb51fd-447d-928c-4d69-1c9673a44471@online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="79457"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: Robert Pluim , colinetnathan98@gmail.com, andreas.roehler@online.de, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 21:16:25 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZfom-000Ka7-6r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:16:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39988 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZfol-0002zm-7Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:16:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZfny-0002Rx-IY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:15:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.130]:55073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZfnx-0004dL-3v; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:15:34 -0400 Original-Received: from ping ([92.116.177.146]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mf0Je-1itCB80Ubi-00gb2Q; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:15:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Fri, 15 May 2020 09:55:16 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ESH+DaAd600Rpo5esru7RGrTpAzF/MMdGhuHIQo7bMIcjMXbHmo PkjxXDoQnrRUB92jzhNy308Nw0Boc6rD8UmF7JL27WY5epcT0h2RsJb+5Bov5QKVSwn9PH2 SEgF7k54pRLvDRTJZIHntmnC8KOPnX/9Bijv03S8xss8vN2bQ7CvfuEgdstziVSFo2Uyy4X HoIqUSS/8KAe48Cp9+vrw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:RCuFHCJ8bwo=:0tlPcb1+HrxsSe91Hh67Dd EG8a/RbKUAP33P1VpcFRnp+i2LV+ozQi5v83MsrTb3bdSu/rjCeF0Ktno5H9F7Av+uZcZR7kY WoL2xuwktrNi1LUiEq/qNvCiUgju9eAuEV6JCMhK8NEBCrnYHa6RVfSlc8NwA0BlQCj/KoGIL OW0TptWCRw9H4t1NJDqbJkdgrfKTcRQVZLPDGIjC3jtBA5paPqPRv+C3NdvFY21iCXHowgkCu IWmxhcEuIXkAqaaeTwbQ0KY577r3vkCv3QinSThZ9KtUSZdbbQoLO91+1SYsSYfl0e6nMisCG 7Y/4uWLkJ3t2UM743uCvu1G4udMygwOh/TCm2Bds/O0MdMJDM1J6XFeaSEKYBRsvOhUvKFprR 5HN83QwoQenNKdssZyxS92HdPTZOVNKRWldLhbq7WvHfYOGfCK/FdhAVtBPtFUb0d+x7UbzrD wg2P+XEbjX6jpuiQ1VGeh1+lYEx88Qf6dAL7BQPPEoC9UzW7W53tnVmm6YAQXvwwtIf8P0PDk CdaXYMjnaCa32/DXp9rJ223RZJZjyYeTHvQbiJqUvn01b2r7L2Smmko+4eoBSCBKNmgRBYCr4 SwuAivrEfe3s+Kipst6JXvTrZbd1ERgOyZjEYDjeCzDjhBQE55hPrO0GmPCreyzCiKEt/kQuR dX0qwjOV3e3eJwfzzTriKf3wuU/YUnq6iaBTHgjr69re39I6YtU1pjvhN5+fNpFsWAjgzdWSk xqiqu/WSCX/BM50RPcKyTZJQ6iuhAJrN8prG/McA3/sEECbMaAc1ZOYf1xeIbbK55YmlmdzA Received-SPF: none client-ip=212.227.126.130; envelope-from=dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de; helo=mout.kundenserver.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/15 15:15:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250417 Archived-At: Arthur Miller writes: > What do you mean with slides? Presentations? You can already do > slides-like stuff in org-mode, not as advanced as in Impress, but enough > for many situations. Some presentations are done via pdf-files which you > can show from Emacs. You could even use images to create a slide-show > mimicking a presentation. Or what features do you have in mind? FYI: Nowadays you are able to accomplish more refined presentations with LaTeX and the presentation package Beamer (among others) than all the Office Applications. You can do all the modern, fancy presentation stuff and moreover including animations, videos and 3D objects (OK only Adobe Reader supports 3D at the moment). > For some more advanced graphical features Emacs would need better > renderer, ability to display (and script) some graphics, layouting etc. I suggest to use the LaTeX Tikz package for doing the graphics. It has also the advantage that the graphical fonts are consistent with the text and mathematics. http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/ > Why is that important for Emacs? I haven't personally opened an "office" > app for years, unless I had to do something for a customer. I think > good The same here, even in my company I'm using org-mode LaTeX exports for reports and presentations. > text editor like Emacs is more then fine for most needs. I think people > "need" office apps mostly because of marketing not because they really > need it, especially nowdays when we don't print so much like we did 20 > years ago or so. I might be biased here though, it is just my reflection. I'm not sure. Could it be that the majority of people are not really capable to work in abstract ways (like programming)? I observe that most of my colleagues and acquaintances are not willing or are hardly able to operate programs without "visual guidance". For example our designers are rather using the mouse cascading into menus instead of memorising and applying predefined keyboard shortcuts! Dieter -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Zwingenberg, Germany